Unless you have some evidence to the contrary, the law presumes that what's in the state's vital record is the truth. That is, if his long form says he was not born in the Hospital, but still says he was born in Hawaii (and the revelations of the Hawaii DOH don't leave any room to doubt that), then the presumption still is he was born in Hawaii.
If you want to say he was born elsewhere, you'll have to prove it. To this day, no credible evidence of a birth outside Hawaii has been produced (and no, transparently phony Kenyan birth certificates aren't credible evidence).
If Obama intentionally deceived Americans by claiming to be born in a hospital in America when he knew he wasn't, then the bum has committed criminal fraud
Actually, I don't think that's true. It's not criminal fraud to lie in a book or to lie to the public in speaches. Besides, he could always claim his mother concealed the truth from him and didn't find out he was born at home until now, so he wasn't really lying. And, frankly, I don't see how anyone could possibly prove otherwise.
And, frankly, I don't think many people would care wheher he was born in a hospital or at home. Though I doubt very much he was born anywhere other than Kapiolani medical center.
We haven't seen any state's vital record yet. There's nothing to assume, except that Obama is hiding his vital records.
That is, if his long form says he was not born in the Hospital, but still says he was born in Hawaii (and the revelations of the Hawaii DOH don't leave any room to doubt that), then the presumption still is he was born in Hawaii.
Instead of assuming what the long form says, let's make it public for everyone to see.
If you want to say he was born elsewhere, you'll have to prove it. To this day, no credible evidence of a birth outside Hawaii has been produced (and no, transparently phony Kenyan birth certificates aren't credible evidence).
Sorry, but the Kenyan birth certificate with the footprint is at least as credible as Obama's redacted (and alleged) COLB. At least the Kenyan certificate contains signatures and information that can be cross-checked. Obama's alleged COLB, not so much.
Actually, I don't think that's true. It's not criminal fraud to lie in a book or to lie to the public in speaches.
Yes, but once you sign affadavits claiming to be eligible for president on the basis of your claims ... that is criminal fraud.
Besides, he could always claim his mother concealed the truth from him and didn't find out he was born at home until now, so he wasn't really lying. And, frankly, I don't see how anyone could possibly prove otherwise.
I think this is extremely possible. I really, truly think that Obama cannot prove where he was born and may not know.
And, frankly, I don't think many people would care wheher he was born in a hospital or at home. Though I doubt very much he was born anywhere other than Kapiolani medical center.
If he wasn't born at the hospital, he may not have been born in Hawaii. That's the point. Who can affirm where he was born?? At least in a hospital, the doctors are pretty reliable sources of information. An unattended birth reported by Granny, not so much. Based on his nonsequential certificate number, I think it's very, very, very unlikely Obama was born in a Hawaii hospital.
No it is not - it is despicable, but not criminal.
On the other hand, it IS criminal to file for candidacy in each state, since you have to swear that you are eligible to the office.
If the AZ legislature passes the eligibility act that is now before them, then Obama might be in a world of sh*t ...
If passed, he would have to prove his eligibility - including NBC in order to be on the ballot in AZ. The AZ SOS might deny him, under the NBC part. Since he cannot prove it by documentation [the term NBC has not been defined], he then has three options:
1. He could take it to court - and it would be appealed all the way to SCOTUS [regardless of being affirmed or denied in the lower courts].
SCOTUS would then have to decide to affirm, which would open the door to posssible "agent provocateurs" being POTUS in the future.
or
SCOTUS could deny and Obama would be out of the presidential race - and I don't know what they do with the laws he signed in his first term. He would then also be potentially liable to answer to criminal prosecution for affirming [in all 50 states] that he was eligible the first time around.
2. Obama could decide NOT to file in AZ [in which case, he would forfeit AZ's electoral votes] - but that would instill mis-trust in other states, meaning "what does he have to hide?". This could be devastating [electorally] in the so-called "swing states" and he could lose the election.
3. He could choose NOT to run at all for a second term. He would not have to reveal anything - but he would not be POTUS after January 20, 2013.