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The story here isn't the provenance of the weapon that Bedell (the shooter) purchased, but that he was able to purchase them in the first place. He had been placed on the "no buy" list by the state of California because of his severe mental health issues. But, because he purchased the weapons in a private sale, there was no background check run.

I'm not sure what the solution is here. Clearly, you have a right to sell your weapons, privately. OTOH, there are people - like Bedell - who shouldn't have access to firearms.

1 posted on 03/14/2010 11:03:15 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

About the same as if a car sold at a police auction was used in the getaway from a bank robbery. A big “So, what?”


2 posted on 03/14/2010 11:07:24 AM PDT by seowulf (Petraeus, cross the Rubicon.)
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To: OldDeckHand

You can never keep the criminal element from obtaining weapons. You can deprive honest citizens of the right to protect themselves.

It really is as simple as that.


3 posted on 03/14/2010 11:08:55 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: OldDeckHand

the rounds from those guns would have hurt much less if those rounds came from guns that didn’t come from the Memphis PD.


4 posted on 03/14/2010 11:11:37 AM PDT by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: OldDeckHand
OTOH, there are people - like Bedell - who shouldn't have access to firearms.

And hind site is 20/20

How do you propose we determine who is and who is not "mentally fit"

Do we start taking away rights because you think some one "may" commit a crime?

5 posted on 03/14/2010 11:22:32 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: OldDeckHand
Personally, if I were selling a weapon on my own I would want to know the person was on the list of those who should not be purchasing a weapon. Of course the name might be on the list in error, or the same or similar name, but I would like to be alerted to the facts.

I don't thing anyone 2nd Amendment person I know wants to sell to someone who is unstable or shouldn't be buying a gun.

6 posted on 03/14/2010 11:28:39 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: OldDeckHand
Please stop posting stories and links to LEFT WING PROPAGANDA outlets! This only perpetuates their HATE filled un-American screads! I know that you added a mild barfer warning to the title, but it's time to shutdown the MSM.

Satellite TV consumers should avoid buying local channels, so that we starve the communist broadcast networks; ABC, NBC, CBS. They must be allowed to fail. Of course, I would have added CNN, but this network has successfully cloaked itself inside the cable, satellite and news format shell.

Please realize that; the Fourth Estate has become the Fifth Column! These news readers were responsible for promoting the most egfegious POS that ever occupied the White House. They must be made to pay people.

Unless we as a people omit these network outlets, they will continue to destroy us as a free nation! Watch network TV beyond primetime, you shall quickly agree how berift they are of legitimate advertisers these primetime hours. They only persist, because of PSA advertisements placed by the US and other 'friendly' governments. I'm not kidding, we are currently enduring PSA's launched by such wonderful kingdoms like Saudi Arabia. We must collectively halt their pernicious effects upon the national psyche!

Do you understand what I'm saying? If you have the 'stones' pull the plug on the whole damned TV set. You will suddenly discover how much extra time you have to do the much more important things in life. I would suggest that you write letters and e-mail your Congress Critters. Tell them NO on everything they can imagine!

8 posted on 03/14/2010 11:33:44 AM PDT by STD (-Obama Came Riding the Pale Horse of Islam, Now He Rides the Red One)
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To: OldDeckHand
OTOH, if you must have 'TV programming', don't expose yourself to all the vermin and their garbage.

Buy a Tivo unit and fast forward through the LEFT WING PROPAGANDA and enjoy athletics and documentaries. We are at a war to the finish with the LIBERAL, PROGRESSIVE and COMMUNIST AGENDA of our government! It's time to finally defeat our enemy.

The battle for the heart and souls of America needs to be fully joined. Take care Old Deckhand

11 posted on 03/14/2010 11:42:41 AM PDT by STD (-Obama Came Riding the Pale Horse of Islam, Now He Rides the Red One)
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To: OldDeckHand
"More guns" is the solution. Where is Bedell now? How was he stopped?

Making arbitrary classes of "have's" and "have nots" is how we got into this screwed up situation to begin with.

14 posted on 03/14/2010 11:53:10 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: OldDeckHand

Publish a list of people disallowed. When you want to sell a gun, check the guy’s ID and refer to the list. If NICS were done this way, you could even buy a new gun from an FFL and not have the goobermint maintaining a gunowner registration file on you.


18 posted on 03/14/2010 12:12:17 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: OldDeckHand

Something stinks about this story. Who were the dealers who sold the guns to the shooters? You can’t just walk into a gun shop and buy a gun without being run through the federal system.

In some places police have not destroyed all of the guns turned in to be destroyed. In some cases the guns wind up being “throw downs.” In others they just become the property of the officers who liberate them.

One thing is for sure. This will be used by gun grabbers as fodder to feed the anti-Second Amendment efforts to disarm the American people. This article refers to private sales. Obviously an effort will continue to regulate or prohibit private sales.

Don’t forget the so called “gun show loophole.” They have been trying to curtail private sales at gun shows for years. With all of the information that can’t be divulged by law enforcement about these cases there is plenty of room to be suspicious of this entire story.

Don’t forget that bogus story last year about 90% of the illegal firearms entering Mexico coming from the U.S. That story was a bald faced lie. I remember Juan Williams, one of the resident lefties on Fox News making that claim. Even after the lie was exposed Williams did not correct his false remarks.

I hope no one interprets my remarks as indicating any hostility toward police. I sure wouldn’t want to live anywhere without their presence. But there is no way to avoid having a few people in any large group of people who should not be there. There are also some police officers who are anti-gun when it comes to civilians. It makes no difference to them that in at least one large eastern city average response time to a 911 call was two hours.


26 posted on 03/14/2010 3:13:45 PM PDT by SkipW
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To: OldDeckHand

I was under the impression that all handgun sales in California must go through a licensed dealer, and then the state and federal background check. There is also a waiting period, at least there was when I lived there. The private sale requirement is fairly new, but if I’m right, then Bedell violated it.


31 posted on 03/14/2010 5:42:17 PM PDT by sig226 (Bring back Jimmy Carter!)
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It's worth noting that, according to the article, Bedell and the seller of the Ruger also violated the 1968 Gun Control Act:

Law enforcement officials say Bedell, a man with a history of severe psychiatric problems, had been sent a letter by California authorities Jan. 10 telling him he was prohibited from buying a gun because of his mental history.
Nineteen days later, the officials say, Bedell bought the Ruger at a gun show in Las Vegas. Such a sale by a private individual does not require the kind of background check that would have stopped Bedell's purchase.

The 1968 G.C.A. prohibits private transactions for any regulated gun between residents of different states. The transfer must be effected through an FFL, and one with a California dealer license is an additional state and federal requirement. Muzzleloaders and antiques are excluded from the requirement.

33 posted on 03/14/2010 5:51:13 PM PDT by sig226 (Bring back Jimmy Carter!)
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