Posted on 03/09/2010 8:28:51 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
The strangest eggs that you will see in the Army are Military Intelligence, many are normal of course, but it is also a haven for eccentrics and even conspiracy guys, paranoids and such, it is amazing what some of them will go off on, and the sweeping conclusions that they will jump to, in conversation.
False. Palin did not come out of nowhere, she was a strong possibility because of the reputation that she had already earned.
The media was only just starting to wake up to the effective Governor in Alaska that was also the most popular Governor in America and was holding back because she was a conservative Republican, but conservatives definitely knew who she was.
Palin has solidified her position as a conservative leader, she is not in danger of simply disappearing, just as she revived the conservative movement in the last 18 months, she would continue to lead it and energize it during a Romney/Romney like administration or another Obama administration.
False. Palin did not come out of nowhere, she was a strong possibility because of the reputation that she had already earned.
The media was only just starting to wake up to the effective Governor in Alaska that was also the most popular Governor in America and was holding back because she was a conservative Republican, but conservatives definitely knew who she was.
Palin has solidified her position as a conservative leader, she is not in danger of simply disappearing, just as she revived the conservative movement in the last 18 months, she would continue to lead it and energize it during a Romney/Romney like administration or another Obama administration.
This reminds me of the First American Civil War,when brothers,uncles,friends,and sometimes fathers and sons standing opposite of each other ready to kill.The socialsts have completelty ripped the fabric of our Republic and we stand divided as never before.My uncle even stood ready to accuse me of rasism until I floored him with my deep respect for Dr Thomas Sowell and my recitation of Dr King’s stament of judge a man not by his colour but by the content of his character.I care not what colour a man’s skin is or what religion he practices,what I can’t stand is communism and the usefull idiots who blindly support it.
I'm not an expert on the Kentucky race but every time I skim the surface of it, Grayson looks soft and Rand doesn't seem unusual, outside of his name.
Since this is a Senate seat, it means that the entire state is looking at the two, and Grayson can only get 27% support from the GOP voters, also, being endorsed by Steve Forbes, Governor Palin and Dick Armey seems to support the Republican voters take on their choice. It looks OK to me.
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Ah, the Nuremberg Defense, Part Two (aka 'the loyal German'). Loyalty to a bad thing is bad in itself.
Besides there is that little matter of SP's loyalty to the oath she took to the people of Alaska...or does that not count?
You could keep pointing out that the moon is made of green cheese, if you like. And you can see whatever patterns you like, just as people see all sorts of strange things in the clouds.
I don't argue against "Palin Supporters", nor do I argue against "Romney critics". I argue against things people say that don't make sense. I would much rather the Palin supporters stick to saying things that make sense, and that they would stop attacking their own candidate's motives or statements in the guise of "defending her", like she was some delicate flower they needed to protect from her adversaries.
But that is unlikely to happen, when some of those supporters are the type who believe that posting sexy pictures of their candidate builds up her credibility, and angrily denying direct quotes could possibly be hers when they are hers somehow helps her be taken more seriously.
Lastly, I don't really know anybody here at FR that fits the description "Romney critics that were a threat to Romney". We are at a site whose owner is on record opposing Romney, and which site takes proactive steps to advertise against Romney and to suppress support for Romney. This is hardly the place anybody would come if they were looking for objective information on the subject, and I certainly have no illusions that people could be swayed to believe otherwise, or any interest in doing so.
On the other hand, as a solid conservative intellectual site, I take a great interest in correcting false, misleading, and stupid arguments, no matter what the issue is. So when someone argues that Palin, or the media, must be lying when she is quoted as saying her brother went to Canada for treatment, AND took the ferry to Jeuneu for treatment, I feel obligated to correct them, whether or not they support or oppose Palin.
It's simply an unfortunate truth that, while there are hundreds of Freepers adequately defending Palin from liberal attacks, there are very few who are defending her from the unfortunate attacks launghed in the guise of "supporting her", sometimes by trolls I suppose, but often by people who are known to support her.
From page 210, Going Rogue, Sarah Palin:
There had been rumors that John was considering me along with many others as his VP pick,.... But I was very busy with state business and the whole veep thing was such a long shot that I hadn't even considered it a real possibility"On the other hand, around here she was mentioned several times before the pick. Josh Painter was pushing her before the pick for example. I still think it is reasonable to say that, in general, her pick was out of left field.
The number of hits on her name even here at FR before her pick was very small (I searched to find out), and most weren't about being a VP pick (although I was surprised that a number of them were, even over a month before the pick -- we've got some smart people here).
According to her book, McCain's own team wasn't expecting her to be picked, and they had no press guide prepared for her because nobody told the press people before the pick.
I think a lot of people who are said to "come out of nowhere" are in fact already well-known among those who would be their most ardent admirers.
But that is unlikely to happen, when some of those supporters are the type who believe that posting sexy pictures of their candidate builds up her credibility, and angrily denying direct quotes could possibly be hers when they are hers somehow helps her be taken more seriously.
Lastly, I don't really know anybody here at FR that fits the description "Romney critics that were a threat to Romney". We are at a site whose owner is on record opposing Romney, and which site takes proactive steps to advertise against Romney and to suppress support for Romney. This is hardly the place anybody would come if they were looking for objective information on the subject, and I certainly have no illusions that people could be swayed to believe otherwise, or any interest in doing so.
LOL, just like I said, you just did it again in that post.
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Another genius who gets his history from the movies.
According to Omar Bradley's memoir, A Soldier's Story, Ike did not remove Patton from command because of the slapping incident. In fact, Ike took heat for standing by him.
But, hey, why let the truth ruin a good story?
Actually, in that post I didn’t “argue against Palin supporters”, I argued THAT Palin supporters made bad decisions. I hope you can understand the difference between arguing “against” and arguing “that”. Maybe.
BTW, in my previous post I was pointing out that it was already well-known that Romney was not welcome here, and I was looking for examples, and noticed the RomneyTruthFile is no longer on the top. Do you know what happened to it?
And on Romney threads you do that in reverse, arguing why Romney critics are making bad decision or bad posts or whatever you want to call it, although like many past Romney diehards you have either changed on him some, or at least decided on a softer, less direct approach although I have learned that most past Romneybots will jump back on board when they have a good news for Romney day.
Monday, July 21, 2008
Palin siezes 2nd place in Intrade VP market!
As of today, Gov. Palin has stormed into second place in Intrade.com’s ranking of potential VP’s for John McCain. Right now, she is trading at $19.9 and rising, higher than every candidate except Mitt Romney (and his numbers are starting to drop).
Meanwhile, Jonah Goldberg has an article in today’s LA Times detailing the pros and cons of each potential VP pick. Palin is ranked as a “Medium risk” pick, and Goldberg says that she “could be a home run” (the only candidate he noted as having such potential). Unlike most of the other candidates, she also does not have any major groups listed in the column marked “Alienates”. The only listing is”Alaska’s kleptocracy” (and they NEED to be alienated).
Hard to imagine a “good news for Romney day”.
Interesting. I knew Goldberg was pushing her over at NR (was that before NR became hated here, or after, I can’t remember). Didn’t know Intrade ever reacted so positively to her.
Doesn’t mean she was generally known — intrade is driven by people who try to know things.
I have never seen any one claim that she was “generally known” since very few politicians are but nice try at a throw away remark, again, it is in keeping with what I have been pointing out about you on this thread.
That’s the usual meaning of “came out of nowhere”, it’s a perception of the general population. A candidate almost never “comes out of nowhere” for those who strongly support them, because the candidate is already well-known. Palin wasn’t a nobody, but she was a surprise pick, at least surprising enough for Palin herself to disagree with your assessment that she was “strong possibility”.
I agree that, from the perspective of people here at FR, she was more well-known than she was in public. And you have enlightened me that, among the politically well-connected, she was more of a possibility than I remembered her being at the time (which is what the Intrade numbers mean).
Now, if you cited a national poll which indicated she had 19% support for VP, that would pretty much disprove the argument that she came out of nowhere. I don’t remember her being prominent in any polling, but maybe I just wasn’t paying attention.
Looking around, I do see that her name did appear on possible VP lists, when they were long lists. I can’t find any polls for VP, so I can’t see if her name was on them, or how she was doing.
My point about InTrade was that you can have a good number on InTrade and still be an unknown, or come out of nowhere, because InTrade is driven by a group of motivated people, not the general population.
The general public does not keep up with politicians, that is why so many Americans can not name the Vice-President of the United States on any given day, much less the person that is yet to be chosen as a candidate for that position during the elections.
It is nice to see you keep hacking at Palin in any which way you can though, you Romneybots never change.
Thanks, Al. I had completely forgotten about Reagan’s support of Wilson and Percy. As far as I was concerned, Reagan had a degree of credibility with me that made me loathe to criticize any move of his, even if I didn’t understand it. Also, before he became President, Reagan was under constant assault and I, a usually lonely supporter, considered that any disagreements with Regan amounted to “giving aid and comfort to the enemy.”
I feel much the same way about Sarah Palin. Like Reagan, she has a good heart and very good instincts. It is this more than anything else that binds the two of them and sets them apart as conservative thoroughbreds.
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