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Put That Thing Away!(Open Carry)
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| 8 March, 2010
| Jacob Sullum
Posted on 03/09/2010 4:01:20 AM PST by marktwain
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"I'm not sure people can be simultaneously reassured and alarmed."
This is not really a contradiction, as different people are reassured and alarmed. The majority of people are quickly reassured, as it is no different than police or security guards carrying guns. The hoplophobes are alarmed, because they have a mental problem.
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posted on
03/09/2010 4:01:21 AM PST
by
marktwain
To: marktwain
"If you are politically connected, if you're rich, if you're a politician, if you're a celebrity, you get a permit. Otherwise, you don't."
Isn't there something called the Equal Protection Clause?
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posted on
03/09/2010 4:12:56 AM PST
by
Red in Blue PA
(If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
To: marktwain
Paladin's Colt 45 would be a nice open carry to have. Loved that show staring Richard Boone "Have Gun Will Travel"
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posted on
03/09/2010 4:16:59 AM PST
by
Evil Slayer
(Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
To: Red in Blue PA
"If you are politically connected, if you're rich, if you're a politician, if you're a celebrity, you get a permit. Otherwise, you don't." The libtard lawmakers turned the 'rule of law' over to the 'rule of a man.'
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posted on
03/09/2010 4:19:52 AM PST
by
CPOSharky
("Obama the Timid. " Pass it on.)
To: marktwain
Would LOVE to see Florida get on the open carry bandwagon. We’re one of the few states that doesn’t allow open carry which is a shame.
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posted on
03/09/2010 4:20:03 AM PST
by
rarestia
(It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
To: marktwain
In addition to avoiding that effect, hidden guns have the advantage of deterring criminals who can't be sure who is armed and who isn't. Eh, that "tactical advantage" has shown to be no different than the "tactical advantage" of being able to diffuse a situation without brandishing or firing a shot.
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posted on
03/09/2010 4:36:16 AM PST
by
Dan Nunn
(Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
To: marktwain; Joe Brower
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posted on
03/09/2010 4:39:45 AM PST
by
Travis McGee
(---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
To: Evil Slayer
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posted on
03/09/2010 5:27:49 AM PST
by
Scotsman will be Free
(11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
Comment #9 Removed by Moderator
To: marktwain; Evil Slayer
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The hoplophobes are alarmed, because they have a mental problem."
And maybe some 50-round-per-month liberals involved in the short term fad of city folks have phobias about
single action western rigs. That's too bad. And contrary to the lib author's wish, I'm not going to "put That Thing Away," except when I want to do so. ...'sides, those funny, little city boy pistols have often been known to malfunction in never-summer kinda places. ;-)
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posted on
03/09/2010 5:54:04 AM PST
by
familyop
(cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
To: marktwain
But California law (PDF) allows you to openly carry an unloaded gun without a permit, provided you are outside of designated "gun-free" zones. Ummm...don't think I want to OC with an empty weapon.
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posted on
03/09/2010 5:57:35 AM PST
by
Niteranger68
(Barack Obama is Osama bin Laden's relief pitcher.)
To: marktwain
BTW, at least several of the states where people are bragging about their “shall issue” CCW laws do have loopholes for cronyism on the matter. Anyone can be turned down in many counties except for those in the local, yocal, business/government/sewing circles. They’re driven by fears of others they feel to be beneath them.
I’ve known some exceptionally responsible and level-headed people who often carried firearms while dressing and acting like the homeless folks so feared by most (kids in the Ozarks, for example).
If many people don’t get over their fears of openly visible firearms, there’s no tellin’ where the winds of CCW laws and their requirements will blow—maybe to exclude all with less than high pay grade government incomes, IQs less than above average, old folks (assumed senility), or those perceived to be clumsy in their physical disabilities.
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posted on
03/09/2010 6:21:15 AM PST
by
familyop
(cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
To: marktwain
"In addition to avoiding that effect, hidden [openly carried, empty] guns have the advantage of deterring criminals who can't be sure who is armed and who isn't [whether they're loaded or not]."
[I'm not sincere about that, but it's nearly the same kind of logic.]
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posted on
03/09/2010 6:25:18 AM PST
by
familyop
(cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
To: Niteranger68
I was wondering what unloaded really means.
Loaded magazine in but no round in the chamber, is that unloaded?
No magazine in the gun but loaded one in my pocket, is that unloaded?
Hmmm.....
To: Niteranger68
"But California law (PDF) allows you to openly carry an unloaded gun without a permit, provided you are outside of designated "gun-free" zones."............................................................................................................................................................................................................................. Right, but you're allowed to carry one round in your shirt pocket.
To: super7man
Not sure (don't live there...thank God). But I do wonder how many criminals will be carrying unloaded.
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posted on
03/09/2010 7:05:52 AM PST
by
Niteranger68
(Barack Obama is Osama bin Laden's relief pitcher.)
To: rarestia
I agree! Being in the tropics makes CC much harder imo.
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posted on
03/09/2010 7:20:08 AM PST
by
beltfed308
(Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
To: Ronald_Magnus
can you carry clips elsewhere on your person in California, I assume? Maybe a domb question, but I don’t assume anything is true in California.
So, as soon as you need to defend yourself, and you load the clip, you are illegal?
To: LachlanMinnesota
“can you carry clips elsewhere on your person...”
While clips are not unique to the broomhandled Mauser and the M1 Garand, most semi auto and bolt action firearms (particularly in the last 50 years) use magazines to store and present ammunition for feeding.
Clip - a device that holds ammunition prior to insertion/loading into a magazine.
Magazine - a device that holds AND presents ammunition into a position ready for feeding into a chamber prior to firing. Typically contains a spring that puts upward pressure on the ammunition column to enable positioning and feeding.
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posted on
03/09/2010 9:13:55 AM PST
by
RetiredNavy
("Only accurate firearms are interesting")
To: super7man
super7man said:
"Loaded magazine in but no round in the chamber, is that unloaded?" There have been court cases to address this issue. If a cartridge is located in the weapon where it is ready to fire, then the gun is loaded. Is an unchambered cartridge at the top of a magazine "ready to fire"? Perhaps.
The recommended practice for those exercising their "right" to carry openly and unloaded in Kalifornia appears to be with the magazines carried separately from the gun. This might mean that the gun is visible on the right hip and the magazines are visible on the left hip. With practice, and two hands, the gun can be loaded and ready to fire in about one second later than a loaded gun would be.
It's surprising that a liberal cess-pool like Kalifornia would enact laws which seem to so frightfully discriminate against people who only have the use of one hand.
I haven't yet participated, but the time may come soon for me to do so. I will probably choose a Starbucks which is clearly outside of any "school zone" and will order something quite expensive to help reward Starbuck's decision to simply follow state law.
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