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The latter seems to encourage discourse with Conservatives and looks for common ground in their different platforms. A neo-Libertarian movement has sprung out of the latter, pro strong defense Libertarians or Conservatives with Libertarian streaks on other issues. I believe this is where you see a lot of the cross-over you describe.

I think that's the nicest thing you've ever said about libertarians.

We're wearing you down. Another ten years and you'll be right there with us.

For the Record, the LP as a Party is a farce IMO. They would know a "principled" stance if it jumped up and peed in their ear. They've fallen for dang near every piece of moonbatty nonsense to come out since Bush43 was elected to his first term.

Next best home for people like me is still the GOP. Second Amendment, Art 1 Sec 8 FedGov limits, and Property Rights are the keys to keeping us in the "conservative" family.

Most of the negative I say regarding Libertarians is about the party, not small “l” libertarian philosophy. That’s why I often repeat the quote of William F Buckley (paraphrased)- there is very little libertarian about the Libertarian party. You may be shocked, I was a former LP member back in my college days and a couple of years ago had an article in Reason (I still eat that up like philosophical candy).

It is the LP and their ‘hippie’ tendencies (to quote Rand) that I have such a strong aversion to. They are to Conservativism and libertarian philosophy what Fred Phelps is to Christianity.