Here's why Dems keep pushing 'dead' Obamacare despite growing public opposition

Washington Examiner ^ | 02/27/10 | Mark Tapscott

[Jim Noble]

Does Congress have the ability to “de-fund” the bill without being exposed to a veto?

Aha!

How Alinskyite of you! Make them obey their own rules! Heighten the contradictions!

Yes, of course, each new House of Representatives is free to spend money, or not spend it, as they see fit. It is possible, in theory, for the People of the United States to elect a House which would not pass a budget that we could not pay for.

But since the 1930s, the Democrat-Republican socialist coalition has passed thousands of laws purporting to required spending in the future. Pensions, procurements, grants, social security and Medicare, No Child Left Alone, on and on and on.

None of these programs have any Constitutional existence beyond two and a half months after election day in even numbered years.

But a Congress which will repudiate an "entitlement"?

Almost unthinkable.

[tentmaker]

Yes, that’s exactly what I think happened. Bush needed the war appropriations passed and the Dems didn’t want to do that, but he sweetened the pot enough so they had to consider what they had to gain versus voting against national defense.

[101voodoo]

"And how do they know that? Well, have you heard either Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell or House Minority Leader John Boehner promising voters their first of order of business if they regain the majority in November will be to repeal Obamacare, if it is approved?"

Promising to overturn legislation if it passes will cause a very engaged public to become disengaged if they feel it doesn't matter if the HC bill passes, because it will be repealed by the Republicans. The focus must be on keeping the heat on the Congressmen to oppose it NOW. No reason to distract from the Dem intention to ram down our throat something we do not want. Besides, saying the Rep won't undo this leg. if it were to pass, based on what they haven't said is pretty lame.

[tentmaker]

Unless, this November we elect enough independents/tea party candidates that won’t play by the old rules.

[sodpoodle]

Never mentioned is how this enormous *reformation* of our health delivery system will be administered.

As I see it:

First four years taxes will be collected and held in a pending folder.

Thereafter:

HHS regional centers will be estabished in all 50 States and have replace existing State Insurance Commissioners - but the States will have to fund them.

All physicians, hospitals and medical facilities will be required to sign Federal contracts with fee caps.

All Health Insurance companies will be required to sign Federal contracts and employees will be classified as Federal Union members.

All employer group health self-insured plans will be abolished and any reserves turned over to the Federal Government.

All existing Health Insurance Claims paying entities will be contracted to disburse payments to providers.

State Workmens’ Comp and unemployment benefits will be rolled into the bureaucracies.

It will be so huge - every citizen will become a Federal indentured servant.

[Yollopoliuhqui]

Dems persist in their fantasy to build the “new socialist man” which proved to be such a prinicipled animal in Sarajevo a few years back. They want to socially engineer us into pacifists, ostensibly to breed out any tendency towards violence so we can all get along. In reality they are breeding in the qualities of the Eloi in H.G. Wells’ “The Time Machine”, a race of sub-humans ignorant of their role as food for the Morlocks.

Contemporary Trotskyism has morphed Marx’s call for the violent overthrow of capitalism and Trotsky’s call for permanent revolution in favor of a Fabian socialist democratically elected socialism. Since nobody will by into that idiocy wittingly, they try every trick of camouflage in the book including global warming and health care.

[wayoverontheright]

Here is the problem with their calculation:

There are people, like me, who are going to insist on such a pledge, in order to secure our vote.

Yes. I agree.

If the Republicans get elected to reverse this monstrosity, then they WILL care about getting re-elected, it will be difficult, but it can be done.

[combat_boots]

It's not just THEIR souls they're offerring up, though. Canada'a water. Mexican labor. American resources and military forces. (Every other 'American' is optional.)

[cynwoody]

I think McCarthy is exactly right about the willingness of the leftist leadership to go down with the ship.

But there is hope. Last time around in the House, Obamacare's margin of victory was very thin. And that was before Massachusetts. It will not take very many defectors among the more moderate 'Rats to defeat it this time.

[ricks_place]

Western Europe has built the new socialist man, pacifist, invasion accepting, multicultural, dependent upon the state for sustenance, work, health care, retirement... Virtually Childless, no future, no legacy, waiting for their world to end.. the end of history.

[sourcery]

A politician who would sacrifice his own job at the altar of his ideology will certainly do the same with yours.

[marktwain]

Yes, a historical footnote, rather like the Shakers, but with contraception and sex.

[marktwain]

Actually, that is rather unkind to the Shakers, who were an industrious lot.

[ricks_place]

Yes, a historical footnote, rather like the Shakers, but with contraception and sex.

Shakers believed in strict celibacy, contraception without the sex!

[WashingtonSource]

I think you’re right about bringing many millions to Washington. We would have to shut down Washington entirely and prevent the Congress from funcitoning. It could be done.

[Always Independent]

They would have to win enough seats to have a veto proof majority to repeal it. But they could refuse to fund it.

[tet68]

These people know it too, thus the rush to push it through
before any kind of mass rejection can be mounted.
Even the tea party/grass roots takes time to put any kind
of demonstration together, admittedly it’s faster than
any kind of “organized” demonstration but these leftists
are counting on getting their boot in the door first,
after that it’s a waterfall of funds to their supporters
and there’s no turning back I’m afraid.
I never thought I would see it come to pass here.

[goat granny]

It takes time but unconstitutional laws can be undone...Its taken years to undo McCain/Finegold. But bit by bit it goes to the SC. To me there is always hope down the road that it will be undone if put into law...Its taken decades for the 2nd amendment to be put right...time is on the side of the opposition. I probably won't live long enough to see it but I think it will be done...patients is required..

[GailA]

Retired Military over 65 and Seniors on Medicare are the ones hardest hit.

OBAMANOMICS—TRICKLE DOWN DESTRUCTION of the economy

SET THEIR LOCAL AND DC LINES ON FIRE!

Bambi doesn’t keep his promises...so buyer beware!
Sen Scott Brown’s number is 202-224-4543

Capitol Hill switchboard is 202-224-3121

Lots of local demwit phone numbers on this thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2408217/posts

Rename, repackage, rewrite it a tad smaller, and sell another pig in a poke. NO COLAs for granny, retired Military or retired fed employees. BIG NEW fees for Tricare for Life retired over 65 Military’s secondary health ins.
(DOD bill already passed, delayed but goes into effect 2011 NEEDS TO BE REPEALED!

OBAMA’s WAR ON SENIORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2433867/posts/

New Dem mantra: Woof, woof eat dog food granny....ala let them eat cake. http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html
Friday, February 19, 2010

Obama says slight fix will extend Social Security
http://townhall.com/news/us/2010/02/19/obama_says_slight_fix_will_extend_social_security

Health Care Rationing for Seniors Another Problem in New Obama Plan http://www.lifenews.com/bio3058.html

SOCIALIZED MED THREAD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2460358/posts

TRI CARE FOR LIFE This from a google search:

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2009/05/tricare-for-life-is-obama-trying-to.html

This option would help reduce the costs of TFL, as well as costs for Medicare, by introducing minimum out-of pocket requirements for beneficiaries. Under this option, TFL would not cover any of the first $525 of an enrollee’s cost-sharing liabilities for calendar year 2011 and would limit coverage to 50 percent of the next $4,725 in Medicare cost sharing that the beneficiary incurred. (Because all further cost sharing would be covered by TFL, enrollees could not pay more than $2,888 in cost sharing in that year.) http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9925/12-18-HealthOptions.pdf

http://www.vawatchdog.org/09/hcva09/hcva110609-1.htm
Bill Would Restrict Veterans’ Health Care Options 11/06/09
Buyer and McKeon Offer Amendments to Protect Veterans and TRICARE Beneficiaries

Congress plans to block Tricare fee increases
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_tricarefees_blocked_100709w/

By Rick Maze - Staff writer, Oct 7, 2009

Tricare fee increases imposed last week by the Defense Department will be repealed by a provision of the compromise 2010 defense authorization bill unveiled Wednesday by House and Senate negotiators.
Snip The fee increases were announced on Sept. 30 and took effect on Oct. 1, but the defense bill, HR 2647, includes a provision barring any fee increases until the start of fiscal 2011.

Snip

Retired Army Maj. Gen. Bill Matz, president of the National Association for Uniformed Services, said the announcement of fee increases was shocking considering that the Obama administration promised earlier this year to hold off on any new fee Tricare fee increases until fiscal 2011.

“President Obama and DoD assured NAUS and the entire military family earlier this year that there would rightly be no increases in any Tricare fees” in fiscal 2010, Matz said. “We took them at their word, and I can’t believe that a co-pay increase like this was allowed to go forward,” he added.