Well, I would actually like to go back to the topic, parenthesis and all.
Women now serve on surface ships in all capacities, don’t they?
How long have they done so? How is that working out? I have read several comments in the past about how getting pregnant on deployment hurt a ship’s capability by forcing the sailor off the ship.
So no bashing needed, what is the truth under all the smoke of preconceived ideas and personal inclinations? Would including women on submarines be detrimental to their deployment? If a female becomes pregnant is it simply a matter of proper prenatal care? Is it something where the submarine has to depart it’s mission to offload the pregnant sailor?
These aren’t sexist questions. They are a matter of the ship’s safety.
I’m not a sailor, but I think people who are in the Navy, have been in the Navy, even people now or in the recent past been submariners could shed light on this.
The military isn’t a laboratory for social experimentation. It is a service to use force against an enemy to protect the nation. If it isn’t a problem, then why not. If it is a problem, then it is a problem.
As for the guy’s role. Everyone understands basic biology, men’s sexual drive, and how babies are made. No on is forgetting it. But the submarine doesn’t have to surface and end it’s mission for the man’s part of the participation.
Pretty pathetic IC.
Pretty pathetic IC.
It goes beyond pregnancy, group cohesion and medical issues and morale, it also includes things that women just can’t do.
When everything is going right, the sun is shining, nothing is burning and no one is dying, then women can handle most jobs, or have a male lift something for her, or turn something, or push or pull something for her without a problem, but when a third of the crew is dead or dying, metal is twisted and warped, the ship is burning and at threat of being lost, when hydraulics are out and ammunition and fighting equipment has to be muscled and wounded carried up and down ladders, then the 50% lessor, upper body strength of the female and the 1/3 less leg strength of the female, comes into play.
Sorry to inform you IC.
Most gals are in support roles and most cant/wont tote that bale alone.
There are some very capable women out there but this stuff usually ends up with lowered physical standards or some other shipmate doing twice the work.
Doing twice the work for another never ends up good unless you are getting twice the benefit *wink wink*
Then that’s an entirely different can of worms.
I’ll say this. I have a coworker who is a young fellow that was a navy instructor. He had a female student that was performing poorly. She was taken for counseling by son chiefs and Petty Officers. They laid out all she needed to do academically as best they could but she just seemed all the more frustrated and finally yelled “What do you want me to do!!?”
The Senior Chief thinking that they had made the situation clear said “I think you know what to do” (he was trying to instill self confidence in her after the come to Jesus talk)
She dropped on her knees right between his legs!
They where like WTF?
Now I don’t tell this stuff to be rude. And I am not saying every woman would act that way, but I have seen way to many that think that is the thing to do, and that just wont fly on a submarine.
That stuff wasnt issued in your seabag.
You cant depend on an emotional person on a submarine
As tight as the quarters are on surface ships, they are ten times tighter on subs.
As mylife said: 80 crew, 4 toilets, 2 showers. So, how to divide them, when a dozen females are aboard? Not to mention no “dressing rooms.” You dress and undress in the narrow space by your triple decker rack, with other sailors passing by on their duties.