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To: LuvFreeRepublic

Sorry, I was away from the computer for a while. This thread is now over 300, so while I catch up, let me just say that because you don’t like what I posted isn’t the same as having a logical reason to dispute it.
There was nothing pathetic about what I posted. What I posted was an indication that the topic of women on submarines is more than, and can’t be reduced to, simply male chauvanism.
Men and women aren’t the same. That is good, not bad. It is a fact, not an opinion. The question then becomes if that difference affects the operation of a submarine or not.
So, answer and dispute,not dismiss, the questions raised or concede the point that women on submarines may not be a good thing.
I’m open either way but want facts or reasoned opinions, not your personal prejudice or inclination.


304 posted on 02/27/2010 7:06:15 AM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: IrishCatholic
The subject matter of your comment was neither liked or disliked by me. The fact that you dismissed my original complaint as if it was irrelevant was what I find pathetic. I never offered a comment about women being on subs. I am not in the position to offer meaningful comments; I am not Navy. I am in a position to find some of the comments about females offensive and unnecessary relative to the subject of women being on subs. FYI, there is nothing prejudicial about my desire to see people treat each other with respect. Never will I find demeaning comments to be an acceptable way of debating an issue.
307 posted on 02/27/2010 7:17:35 AM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: IrishCatholic

The answer to your question, whether this would affect the operation of the submarine-— is in a phenomenal number of ways.. yes. Regardless of the preferences of the crewmembers, ie. sexual preferences, it is the interactions that would have to be controlled beyond usual capability in a normal social interaction. There is simply no room for error at 500 plus feet.

Here’s an example of just ONE internal defense: on a missile boat, the missile integrity officer on board on watch has a sidearm and a billy club— to defend the safety of the missiles in the launch tubes from one of the crew who might go crazy, despite all screening, or turn traitor or just turn revengeful for some slight. The officer has “shoot to kill” orders on a war footing to protect the 24 tubes each with a missile, each missile with 8 separately targeted re-entry vehicles of 475 Kilotons apiece. Taken from this vantage point it is far more than just “how will the guys and gals get along” it is.. “how will the critical mission be performed flawlessly do defend our nation?” And therein lies the crux of this discussion. Social engineering nuts, or recruiters trying to maintain their quotas cannot get around this basic question. It is why there will NEVER be females in a SEAL team. It’s not a video game and it’s not Star Trek with actors or something as idiotic as “Crimson Tide” movie.


341 posted on 02/27/2010 1:52:27 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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