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1 posted on 02/25/2010 1:17:14 AM PST by jerry557
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Deadly force isn’t deadly without legitimate use of capital punishment. Instead unjust relative morality becomes the norm, lowering the standards of all legitimate people to the relative morals of the illegitimate.

Perverse sexual immorality becomes relatively legitimate, ignoring the soulish consequences, depriving many of natural joy in life.

Perverse spiritual practices removes divine blessings and invites adversarial intervention in our thinking.

Perverse criminal violence is no longer met by the the violence of righteousness, love, and grace.

Worst of all, we do not treat our fellow man as ourselves, but retarget our selfish goals to nothing greater than a previously illegitimate criminal behavior, loving ourselves now as our criminal neighbor, placing his standards higher than the rule of God.

Intellectually honest students of history also recognize the degeneration of empires and social structures begins with such moral relativism and ends in anarchy. We’ve already begun by turning prisons into gated communities where criminals go to school for scandal, Islam is practiced and taught, and evil is treated with peace, with righteousness risked with violence. Anarchy soon follows when the violence of evil is not countered with the violence of righteousness after righteous power has diminished from insufficiently available force.


2 posted on 02/25/2010 1:28:52 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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So it looks like some of the Euroleft have given up on global warming as a donation spigot and are desperately testing old wells.


3 posted on 02/25/2010 1:34:44 AM PST by SeeSharp
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If they can stop global murder and war crimes, then great. Otherwise, shove off.


4 posted on 02/25/2010 1:47:06 AM PST by Tolsti2
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“More than two-thirds of the United Nations member states abolished the death penalty, by law or in practice,”

but we were the ones that actually abolished Hitler and the soviet union while you guys just waved surrender flags.


5 posted on 02/25/2010 1:52:38 AM PST by ari-freedom (Rush:Remember to put your faith in ideas and not people. People will always, always disappoint you!)
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Making hay while the one shines...they know he’s now a castoff and trying to get something.


6 posted on 02/25/2010 1:54:03 AM PST by bronxville
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I find this a hard one, really. The hardest debate point in all things judicial.

Does the death penalty deter people from committing horrendous crimes? I’d say that life in prison does that just as well.

Can we be sure that every execution is righteous, i.e.: the real guilty party is being sentenced, and not someone brought to justice by a malfunctioning procedure, or someone who was insidiously framed?

For the record: I am European, and as such I was reared in a climate where there is a lot of opposition to the death penalty. I know Americans often have a different POV, with good reason. All controversial topics have good advocates and good adversaries.

At this point in time, I would make an exception for war criminals, and terrorists (the latter if they are unequivocally proven to be mass murderers). I am pretty sure that it is a true stabilizing factor for any decent society, if such criminals are known to no longer exist as persons.


7 posted on 02/25/2010 1:57:55 AM PST by Ayn And Milton
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America should leave the Euro-trash to rot; they’ll soon learn that the repeating of history is all too common for those that don’t have to defend themselves then blaming all their problems and misfortune on others.


9 posted on 02/25/2010 2:08:52 AM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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If individual nations want to abolish the death penalty, that’s their business. I don’t see how they can impose that viewpoint on nations that don’t want to though...


10 posted on 02/25/2010 2:40:30 AM PST by Vanders9
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Europeans are girly men.


16 posted on 02/25/2010 3:15:35 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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AH............a kinder gentler planet, are the Islamics with them on this or are they still murdering thier siblings for being raped by thier family members?


18 posted on 02/25/2010 3:52:39 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Cockblock the sock puppet in 2010)
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Pound sand Euro-Wienies!


21 posted on 02/25/2010 4:12:08 AM PST by RU88 (Bow to no man)
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It seems to me that the big disconnect between Europeans and Americans over the death penalty is that Europeans see it as a means by which people in power eliminate political and religious enemies while Americans see it as a punishment for crime.

Think about it- America does not have a Great Purge, Halocaust, Reign of Terror, or other such stain on its history. Yes, we did mean things to the Indians and Americans of Japanese ancestry, but we never sent them to extermination camps.

William Wallace was drawn, quartered and beheaded. Robert E Lee became a unversity president.

The Sons of Liberty didn’t guillotine Loyalists on Boston Common.

Oliver Cromwell had Charles I beheaded. FDR had a dam named after Hoover.

When Europeans think of the death penalty, they think of a tool of political, religious and social retribution. When Americans think of it, they think of Ted Bundi, Tim McVeigh and Danny Rolling.


34 posted on 02/25/2010 7:38:56 AM PST by bobjam
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The death penalty causes global warming.


42 posted on 02/25/2010 8:15:21 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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One bit of evidence of approaching death is the inability to excrete.


45 posted on 02/25/2010 10:07:03 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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The Europeans appose the death penalty but approve abortions... uh huh.


50 posted on 02/25/2010 11:30:07 AM PST by montyspython ("I don't believe in 'no win' scenarios." - James T. Kirk)
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