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To: ansel12
I’m just amazed at how resistant to good news some of you are, Republicans can win over many Hispanics by reaching them through the media filter and appealing to their social conservatism.

First, you failed to answer my question. Do they support amnesty?

Hispanics as a group, an artificial one at that, have 50% out of wedlock birthrates and similar school drop out rates. They are becoming more and more dependent upon big government and social welfare programs.

Hispanic Family Values? Runaway illegitimacy is creating a new U.S. underclass.

"Unless the life chances of children raised by single mothers suddenly improve, the explosive growth of the U.S. Hispanic population over the next couple of decades does not bode well for American social stability. Hispanic immigrants bring near–Third World levels of fertility to America, coupled with what were once thought to be First World levels of illegitimacy. (In fact, family breakdown is higher in many Hispanic countries than here.) Nearly half of the children born to Hispanic mothers in the U.S. are born out of wedlock, a proportion that has been increasing rapidly with no signs of slowing down. Given what psychologists and sociologists now know about the much higher likelihood of social pathology among those who grow up in single-mother households, the Hispanic baby boom is certain to produce more juvenile delinquents, more school failure, more welfare use, and more teen pregnancy in the future.

The government social-services sector has already latched onto this new client base; as the Hispanic population expands, so will the demands for a larger welfare state. Since conservative open-borders advocates have yet to acknowledge the facts of Hispanic family breakdown, there is no way to know what their solution to it is. But they had better come up with one quickly, because the problem is here—and growing.

The dimensions of the Hispanic baby boom are startling. The Hispanic birthrate is twice as high as that of the rest of the American population. That high fertility rate—even more than unbounded levels of immigration—will fuel the rapid Hispanic population boom in the coming decades. By 2050, the Latino population will have tripled, the Census Bureau projects. One in four Americans will be Hispanic by mid-century, twice the current ratio. In states such as California and Texas, Hispanics will be in the clear majority. Nationally, whites will drop from near 70 percent of the total population in 2000 to just half by 2050. Hispanics will account for 46 percent of the nation’s added population over the next two decades, the Pew Hispanic Center reports.

But it’s the fertility surge among unwed Hispanics that should worry policymakers. Hispanic women have the highest unmarried birthrate in the country—over three times that of whites and Asians, and nearly one and a half times that of black women, according to the Centers for Disease Control. Every 1,000 unmarried Hispanic women bore 92 children in 2003 (the latest year for which data exist), compared with 28 children for every 1,000 unmarried white women, 22 for every 1,000 unmarried Asian women, and 66 for every 1,000 unmarried black women. Forty-five percent of all Hispanic births occur outside of marriage, compared with 24 percent of white births and 15 percent of Asian births. Only the percentage of black out-of-wedlock births—68 percent—exceeds the Hispanic rate. But the black population is not going to triple over the next few decades."

The Republicans’ Hispanic Delusion Amnesty is not just wrong in principle, it’s bad politics.

“But Hispanics are Republicans waiting to emerge,” counter the Bush strategists. Socially conservative on homosexuality and abortion, Hispanics just need to be invited into the party by an amnesty and not scared off by immigration enforcement. This “social values” argument has been around since the early 1980s, and it’s still awaiting confirmation. The majority of Hispanics vote their perceived economic interests, rather than their social values (evangelical Hispanics may be an exception to this rule). Blacks are equally conservative on gay rights and other favorite liberal crusades, and that doesn’t affect their allegiance to the Democratic party.

Even Republican Hispanics are not particularly conservative on economic issues. A 2002 poll by the Pew and Kaiser foundations found that 52 percent of registered Latino Republicans supported a higher-taxing, larger state sector, a higher percentage for big government than one finds among white Democrats, reports Steve Sailer. As for the majority of Latinos—poor and poorly-educated—the more government services, the better."

When I speak to Hispanics I hear the conservatism and can win their strong agreement on much that they find important and what they find repulsive, the Republicans have to learn to talk to them.

Immigration can be a winning issue for Republicans. The Republican strategy on immigration should be based on the core principles of the party, i.e., national security, limited government, the rule of law and the Constitution, and individual responsibility. Immigration is an issue that cuts across partisan lines. There are plenty of independents and Reagan Democrats who are affected adversely by mass immigration and hold far different views than the Democrat political leadership, union bosses, religious leaders, etc. Republicans need to craft their message better to tap into those constituencies. That said, pandering and outreach to minorities don’t work. Republicans lose when they try to play identity politics against the Democrats and it just reinforces their framing of the issue. Republicans must appeal to the interests of the individual voter with a universal message regardless of race, ethnicity, or gender.

51 posted on 02/24/2010 8:28:06 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Right now I am interested in getting some conservative votes, not yet another long bitching session about immigration, personally I want to end all immigration, including legal, if that tells you anything, a view that I have held for 45 years, I have been anti immigration a lot longer than a lot of the newcomers here that didn’t see what was happening until it showed up in their little neighborhood.


56 posted on 02/24/2010 8:40:50 AM PST by ansel12 (Social liberal politicians in the GOP are easy for the left to turn, why is that?)
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To: kabar

You do realize that I am to the right of you on immigration?


69 posted on 02/24/2010 9:03:48 AM PST by ansel12 (Social liberal politicians in the GOP are easy for the left to turn, why is that?)
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