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Birch Society Disingenuous About Its Position Re: Fluoridation
http://www.libertynewsnetwork.tv/?p=101 | 02-22-10 | ernie1241

Posted on 02/23/2010 5:34:09 PM PST by searching123

At the recent CPAC conference, Birch Society President John McManus and the Senior Editor of the Birch Society magazine, The New American, spoke with Rachel Maddow of MSNBC when she dropped by their CPAC booth.

Video of Maddow at JBS-CPAC booth:

http://www.libertynewsnetwork.tv/?p=101

Since December 2009, Rachel has devoted three segments of her TV program to the Birch Society. During two of those segments, Rachel discussed the Birch Society position on the fluoridation of water supplies. The Birch Society subsequently dismissed her comments as a typical "left-wing smear" of the JBS.

It is totally understandable that JBS President John McManus now wants to revise history and pretend that the Birch Society opposed fluoridation only because it amounted to "mass medication" -- but that is not historically accurate. [See McManus’s "mass medication" comment to Rachel Maddow beginning at 4:35 of the CPAC video link above].

What McManus does not address is why the JBS linked water fluoridation to communists and communism in the March 1960 issue of the JBS Bulletin.

Why, for example, did that issue of the Bulletin warn JBS members about "Communists [who] have been able to beguile a sufficiently large enough, powerful enough, and determined enough clique into supporting fluoridation" -- as if fluoridation of water had no legitimate basis in medical research nor any support by principled dentists but, instead, was simply part of a conspiratorial plot?

Why, also, did Robert Welch state in the JBS Bulletin of December 1959 (page 8) that he was sending to all JBS chapter leaders sufficient copies of the September 28, 1959 issue of the Dan Smoot Report newsletter so that every JBS member could read Smoot's anti-fluoridation argument which also referred to the "communist plot" aspect of water fluoridation?

Furthermore, let's consider two letters that were written by self-identified dentists to J. Edgar Hoover.

The first letter to Hoover is dated April 4, 1960:

"I have been delegated to ask your opinion on several matters. Since we are resolved to fight the conspiracy in the most effective manner, it is essential that we KNOW we are supporting a cause which has the best interests of the United States as its prime objective. We want to know, therefore, if you would endorse the John Birch Society...Recently, American Opinion, edited and published by Mr. Welch, has claimed strongly that fluoridation of municipal water supplies was promoted by and is a part of the communist conspiracy. Since I am a dentist and have supported fluoridation strongly, I find this almost inconceivable. Can you throw some light on this matter please?" [FBI HQ 62-104401- #75; 4/4/60 incoming inquiry to J. Edgar Hoover.]

The second letter is dated December 19, 1960:

"Several months ago we became acquainted with the John Birch Society. We were very impressed with the Blue Book of the Society and wish to become active against Communism through its membership. However, Mr. Welch strongly recommends The Dan Smoot Report and we would like to know more about Mr. Smoot...As dentists we are strong proponents of fluoridation of water supplies...Consequently, we were more than amazed when someone told us that Communists were for fluoridation while anti-communists were against it. To prove his point the man brought us the September 28, 1959 Dan Smoot Report, "Facts on Fluoridation" as well as articles from The American Mercury magazine."[FBI HQ 62-104401, #558; 12/19/60 inquiry to Hoover]

It should be noted that the "fluoridation-as-communist-plot" argument presented by Smoot and the Birch Society was also promoted by many other individuals and organizations --- particularly as a consequence of an "affidavit" by Kenneth Goff.

In March 1963, a Congressman contacted the FBI to inquire into Goff’s assertion that fluoridation of water supplies was part of a communist plot. A Bureau memo discussing the matter states:

“Our files do not indicate evidence substantiating the charges that fluoridation is part of a communist plot…Of course, the fluoridation controversy has been nationwide and the communist element has often been injected into it principally by right wing extremists.” [FBI HQ 62-80382, #149, page 2; 3/13/63 memo from D.C. Morrell to Mr. DeLoach].

The same FBI serial states: “Bufiles indicate that in 1952 Goff was considered to be a borderline psychopathic case.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birchsociety; fluoridation; icecreammandrake; jbs; preciousbodilyfluids; purityofessence; sapandimpurify
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1 posted on 02/23/2010 5:34:10 PM PST by searching123
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To: searching123

I never thought I would see both the JBS and Rachel Maddow at a CPAC.


2 posted on 02/23/2010 5:35:03 PM PST by mnehring
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To: searching123
Fluoridation ... a dirty Commie plot!


3 posted on 02/23/2010 5:39:41 PM PST by CapnJack
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To: mnehring

I don’t know why this Maddow thinks she’s at all relevant.


4 posted on 02/23/2010 5:45:33 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: searching123

I rarely get a cavity, but after we moved out to the country, I found I was getting maybe one a year. I finally woke up and realized it was because we had a well for our water supply, and it wasn’t flouridated.

So I started rinsing with ACT once a day, and I haven’t had another cavity in 15 years or so, knock on wood. I use flouridated toothpaste, but evidently that wasn’t quite enough to do the job.


5 posted on 02/23/2010 5:45:37 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: CapnJack

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You just walk in the door and take the first turn to the right
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But we’re taking down the names of everybody turning left

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6 posted on 02/23/2010 5:50:58 PM PST by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: Cicero
The whole movement to flouridation came from observations that in areas where the groundwater is naturally rich in flourides, parts of OK and AZ eg, cavities are relatively scarce. The conspiracy theory is a paranoid fiasco of the fifties.
7 posted on 02/23/2010 5:53:25 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: darkangel82

You mean Maddow’s a woman!?! Dayuuummm! I thought Maddow was just a girly-looking man! (*sar.)


8 posted on 02/23/2010 5:56:26 PM PST by John-Irish ("Shame of him who thinks of it''.)
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To: John-Irish

I thought Rachael Maddow was Ryan Seacrest’s pen name.


9 posted on 02/23/2010 5:58:13 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

I think whatever he/she is it’s time for the old ‘’Shave yer ass and walk backwards’’ routine for whatever he/she is.


10 posted on 02/23/2010 6:00:40 PM PST by John-Irish ("Shame of him who thinks of it''.)
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To: CapnJack

Keep your Commie hands off of my precious bodily fluids!! Bangbangbangbang!!!!!


11 posted on 02/23/2010 6:02:06 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: hinckley buzzard

The point was that governments should not be involved in adding drugs to your water.

Now, government wants to takeover health care.

See the connection?


12 posted on 02/23/2010 6:02:17 PM PST by donna (SarahPAC has donated money to...(wait for it)...Lindsey Graham!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Looked into this some years ago, in the early days of the web. Their claims, fwiw, were that flouride as used in municipla treatment plants is a waste product of the aluminum smelting industry. As if that means anything, I dunno. If recall correctly, the nutjobs don’t dispute that teeth enamel is preserved, but that it causes other harmful effects to the nervous system? I dunno.

It works - my dad, who is 82, has virtually none of his teeth left. Myself, never had a dental carie! Never been too particular either, and bottle caps are no problem.

One angle, might be worth pursuing, that the mandatory addition of anything to the public water supplies might be questionable, even if it’s for “our own good.” I can see that, sort of - but disinfection is widely done and nobody complains about that. And - think about this - Dentists recommend it, which in fact over the decades has decreased their income, probably substantially. All in all, the whole debate doesn’t make any sense, unless flouride reliably turns out the boshie in all of us. /s


13 posted on 02/23/2010 6:02:28 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: searching123

ping


14 posted on 02/23/2010 6:05:44 PM PST by Rottweilerson (If you want a friend...Feed any animal...--summertime rolls)
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To: searching123

What Did You Say!

15 posted on 02/23/2010 6:11:07 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Freedom4US
Their claims, fwiw, were that flouride as used in municipla treatment plants is a waste product of the aluminum smelting industry.

That was one of the early indicators I caught they didn't know what they were talking about was they didn't know the difference in the different fluoride compounds*, the 'toxic' byproducts are not the same fluoride as used in water treatments. (*sodium fluoride and sodium monofluorophosphate are safe and used in water and dental fluoridation; acidulated phosphate fluoride and stannous fluoride are different compounds and are the toxic versions)

16 posted on 02/23/2010 6:18:03 PM PST by mnehring
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To: searching123
P.J. O'Rourke explained the whole fluoride thing years ago:

Attention Birthers: /sarcasm

17 posted on 02/23/2010 6:27:10 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: searching123

“Rachel discussed the Birch Society position on the fluoridation of water supplies”

“Young man, lady ... whatever—if you hit that machine one more time, you’ll answer to the Coca Cola corporation. And any more preversions out of you and we’ll blow your damned head off.”
Col. Bat Guano


18 posted on 02/23/2010 6:32:30 PM PST by tumblindice (Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water? No, you haven't.)
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To: searching123

The claim was flouridation addled your brain which was something the communists needed to gain acceptance.

And as any spokesbot out of the White House would say, hey, it looks like the plan worked.


19 posted on 02/23/2010 6:37:56 PM PST by MurrietaMadman (Luke 23:31)
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To: mnehring
...acidulated phosphate fluoride and stannous fluoride are different compounds and are the toxic versions

Not quite correct...

Crest was first introduced in the United States in 1955. At first it used stannous fluoride, marketed as "Fluoristan"

Crest Pro-Health, recently introduced to the market, uses stannous fluoride again and an abrasive whitener together called "Polyfluorite".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crest_(toothpaste)

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20 posted on 02/23/2010 6:48:06 PM PST by JCG
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