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The Bloom Box: An Energy Breakthrough? Customers Say Energy Machine Works & Saves Money (Important!)
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Posted on 02/22/2010 4:36:25 AM PST by MindBender26

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To: The Wizard
just like Algea Oil, this is the future.

Our company is in the business of alternative fuels and I can tell you that commercial production of fuel from algae isn't the future. Just because something can be accomplished in the lab doesn't mean it will ever be commercial. There are huge problems with commercializing the process of fuels from algae and it is unlikely they can be solved; at least in the next 50 to 100 years.

The government acts stupidly or with malice; you pick. The carbon dioxide/global warming/energy shortage is a complete scam designed to control populations and launch the One World Government.

Oh, and by the way. All the Government money being poured into cellulosic processes to fuel is also a scam. The Germans had large commercial plants turning wood waste into ethanol as far back as the 1890s. Back then they could produce 50 gallons of ethanol per ton of biomass. Guess what? We are now up to about 60 tons. Like algae, the cellulosic to fuels processes are too expensive and will likely never be commercial except in extreme circumstances where the cost of acquiring and transporting the biomass is less than free.

41 posted on 02/22/2010 5:38:30 AM PST by suijuris
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To: MindBender26

Mega power companies aren’t going to like this.


42 posted on 02/22/2010 5:38:48 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: MindBender26

yeah, because if I had a scientific breakthrough, I sure would want to announce it through a show with the integrity of 60 minutes.

OTOH, if I had a scam to push on people ...


43 posted on 02/22/2010 5:39:14 AM PST by fnord (497 and a half feet of rope? ... I just carry it.)
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To: MindBender26

Either we believe that officials at FedEx, WalMart and Google are lying on tape or the thing works: the boxes do produce power, in quantity, in the field. There may be hidden gotchas, of course, but at first glance it looks pretty good .


44 posted on 02/22/2010 5:39:54 AM PST by Grut
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To: tobyhill

I didn’t see the story but am familiar with the technology.

First, the commercial box produces enough electricity to run dozens of households.

Second, the fuel cell is only part of the entire unit. There are additional components to deal with fuel conditioning and delivery and another set of components to deal with heat management. Fuel cells produce DC current so there is going to be an inverter and additional electrical components.


45 posted on 02/22/2010 5:40:31 AM PST by dangerdoc
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To: tiki

Agreed on both points. Four dollar a gallon gasoline started the current conflagration.


46 posted on 02/22/2010 5:42:01 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Note to self: Never post in a thread about religion again.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Pretty much hype. As near as I can tell, this is just another solid oxide fuel cell.

Which is a good thing, because we know that fuel cells work. They're just to d*mn expensive, so everything that drives down prices is welcome.
47 posted on 02/22/2010 5:42:18 AM PST by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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“”This invention, working on Mars, would have allowed the NASA administrator to pick up a phone and say, ‘Mr. President, we know how to produce oxygen on Mars,’” Sridhar told Stahl.

“So this was going to produce oxygen so people could actually live on Mars?” she asked

“Absolutely,” Sridhar replied.”

HOLY COW!! Does it cure baldness too?


48 posted on 02/22/2010 5:42:28 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: MindBender26

There might be something here since it was funded by so called smart money. At least I was never solicited by this company for investment via email or snail mail.


49 posted on 02/22/2010 5:45:52 AM PST by cicero2k
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To: NotSoModerate

Putting a box in every house is not their immediate goal. Selling big units to industry is their first goal. Selling big units to utilities is their second goal. Selling small units in areas with erratic electrical supply is later down the line.

They want to sell units to the utilities. If a gas line is available, it would be cost effective to install one at a substation to supply an entire neighborhood, this would reduce strain on, and extend the life of the current power grid.


50 posted on 02/22/2010 5:46:00 AM PST by dangerdoc
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To: dangerdoc
Having a generator on location would indeed save transmission losses from a central generator plant. Economies of scale come in there though. The bottom line is inescapable thermodynamics. You don't get something for nothing. Efficiency may increase, but any "heat engine" has limits. Thermodynamics says, "You can't win, you can't break even, and you can't get out of the game".

Nuclear power is the only long term viable option.

51 posted on 02/22/2010 5:48:16 AM PST by Huebolt (Democrat = (national socialist) = NAZI)
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To: MrPiper

These might be self-organizing nanoscale inks - they’re using such a concept to produce thin-film solar panels: http://www.nanosolar.com/

Anything that you’re planning to patent should be kept secret if you want to protect your patent.


52 posted on 02/22/2010 5:48:22 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: tobyhill

Why does your car engine need a battery to get it started?? I have no idea if this “invention” is real or not....but, jump-starting is standard in many devices.


53 posted on 02/22/2010 5:48:59 AM PST by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
And that vicious "water vapor" as well.

Uh-oh, the dreaded Dihydromonoxide. That stuff will kill you if you inhale it....

54 posted on 02/22/2010 5:52:05 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: suijuris

No all algea/fuel proposals are beyond commercial economics.

http://petroalgae.com/docs/press/PALG-Shareholder-Press-Release-20100218.pdf


55 posted on 02/22/2010 5:56:45 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: tobyhill

What do you think generates the power in NASA shuttles? Fuel cells - the same as this gentleman is trying to skinny down so it can be commercially. You could buy a fuel cell right now to power your home - the same one NASA buys, but it would cost you several million.

As far as needing energy to start it - ever try starting a car without a battery?


56 posted on 02/22/2010 5:57:07 AM PST by HD1200
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To: Huebolt
Having a generator on location would indeed save transmission losses from a central generator plant. Economies of scale come in there though. The bottom line is inescapable thermodynamics. You don't get something for nothing. Efficiency may increase, but any "heat engine" has limits. Thermodynamics says, "You can't win, you can't break even, and you can't get out of the game".

Fuel cells are not heat engines. They get electricity using electro-chemical reactions. Thermodynamics are not involved.

57 posted on 02/22/2010 5:59:45 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: MindBender26

Fascinating-Thanks for the post as I try to steer clear of 60 minutes


58 posted on 02/22/2010 6:04:00 AM PST by irishlass
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To: traditional1
Is this the same outfit that makes those 200MPG carbureators?

and has found a miraculous cancer cure? Not to mention that fat blocker that lets you eat like a pig and still lose weight?

59 posted on 02/22/2010 6:10:56 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: autumnraine
Does it cure baldness too?

Wait, there's more!

60 posted on 02/22/2010 6:11:40 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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