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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Until we own up to just how significant the betrayal of principle was that occurred in the Republican party, we cannot properly fix the problem.

Good grief, for how long should we own up to it, Everyday it is doom doom doom, we are doomed. Okay, so we have some RINOs still around but we also have some conservatives who have owned up and are fighting the Obama agenda. Should every single Republican hold a presser like Woods and apologize? What will satisfy you and Beck?

I agree they screwed up, I agree we need to vote out the RINOs but we have Rubio and Pence and my senators, Coburn and Inhofe to name a few who are still fighting, and on state and local levels as well. Would it kill Beck just once to mention one of these guys and gals?

People are working hard on all levels to elect conservatives and tune in to Beck and are constantly told they are as bad as Democrats, it is depressing.

63 posted on 02/21/2010 1:38:30 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

As long as they go along with things like adding 150 BILLION in pork to bills like TARP they ARE part of the problem... and that is a fact. Instead of just pointing fingers away from themselves across the aisle and saying see they did it, too, they need to own up and stand their ground on fiscally conservative principles. In fact the GOP would do well to tighten their message to one of lower taxes and cutting spending — and hmmmmm that is pretty much the message JD is using here in AZ to run against Progressive Republican John McCain.


111 posted on 02/21/2010 1:53:54 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: TornadoAlley3
>> Would it kill Beck just once to mention one of these guys and gals? <<

Wouldn't kill him, but certainly would kill his "shtick" -- or his narrative, as your typical leftwing academic might say.

177 posted on 02/21/2010 2:13:39 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: TornadoAlley3

What would satisfy me is some sign that these guys actually GET what this is all about.

In 2008, our presidential nominee ran around trying to out-socialist the socialists, wanting to pay everyone’s mortgage for them and cram cap and tax down our throat.

Last year, Paul Ryan, brilliant shining star of the Republican party didn’t know that a bill of attainder is unconstitutional when he voted for a 90% tax on AIG bonuses.
We’ve still got the usual suspects doing their best to undermine conservatism. We’ve got Pandsey Graham trying to find any way he can to get Cap and Tax through the senate. We’ve got McLame going around trying to ‘work with Obama’ on health care.

But on top of them, we’ve got McConnell saying that the GOP is going to support the latest stimulus package because the Democrats called it a ‘jobs bill’ and gee whiz, Republicans wouldn’t want to be thought of as ‘anti-job’!!!

I mean, at what point do you stop buying BS like that and start calling these guys complicit in this stuff? We give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they’re just spineless, but how long does that hold water?

The establishment Republicans have shown almost no signs that they have learned anything. Evidence of that is in Bill Bennett’s column this morning. See also, Orrin Hatch’s speech the other day where he told off the tea partiers.

The parties are NOT the same, but that doesn’t mean that the answer to the country’s problems is just voting Republican. That’s what Glenn said yesterday and he was right. In the past, he has said that the parties are the same and while I understand what he’s trying to say, it’s far too simplistic a way of saying it. He was much clearer about it yesterday.

That doesn’t mean that it is all doom and gloom. I actually see a new breed of RINO on the horizon. The ‘Scott Brown RINO’ if you will. The kind of RINO who’s libertarian on social issues, but rock solid on everything else and with a spine to back it up. But even Scott Brown voted for the fascist Romneycare back in the day, so while I hope he’s seen the light, it’s hard to be sure that he’s for real. If he supports the ‘jobs bill’, then he’s nothing more than another big government progressive in office to undermine the constitution. I hope not, because I kind of like the guy.


351 posted on 02/21/2010 3:46:40 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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