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Austin plane crash exposes gap in US air security
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Posted on 02/19/2010 7:38:33 PM PST by LouAvul

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www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-0219-20100219,0,5463549.column

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Linking America’s anger to a suicidal madman: Now that’s madness

John Kass

February 19, 2010

Common wisdom, as expressed by a general theme in the media lately, is that Americans have turned from an abiding hope in their government to anger and bitterness.

A subtext of the common wisdom has been that while voter anger may be explained, it belongs on the political fringe.

So the belief in hope is considered rational. But anger at government is irrational. Get it?

On Thursday, madman Joseph Stack slammed a small plane into a building containing an Internal Revenue Service office in Austin, Texas.

He was angry at the federal government and its tax collectors, at the Roman Catholic Church, at GM, at health insurance companies, at capitalism, you name it.

“I am finally ready to stop this insanity,” Stack raved on the Internet in his suicide manifesto. “Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different, take my pound of flesh and sleep well. … Violence is the only answer.”

While we were hoping that Stack was the only victim of his madness, another body was pulled from the crash site late Thursday.

But his lunatic petition forecasts the liturgy to come. The spinners will scrape up his rhetorical remains and put them to use.

Inevitably, there will be an attempt to tie Joseph Stack’s insanity to the legitimate anger that Americans are feeling these days about their government and political incumbents.

Even before the smoke cleared in Austin, you could see it. The public’s anger and disillusionment was cast — in media shorthand — as dangerous and irrational.

Yes, it’s a trick, but it works

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101 posted on 02/20/2010 8:17:40 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: LasVegasMac

Tolsti2 ??

I thought Tolstoy the anarchist was dead!


102 posted on 02/20/2010 8:27:05 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
Walsh and other general aviation advocates argue that stringent security and bureaucracy would deter recreational fliers and slow down a vibrant, multibillion-dollar general aviation industry, causing economic damage.

"What it comes down to is that the cure could be worse than the disease," he said.


Keep your eye on the aftermath of Austin. Yet another 'crisis' for our gubermint to use as an excuse to destroy freedoms.



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103 posted on 02/20/2010 8:30:20 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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104 posted on 02/20/2010 8:46:50 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Tolsti2

Being a moron ain’t doing your cause a whole lot of good, either.


105 posted on 02/20/2010 9:37:55 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: metmom

Personal thoughts of an Austinite.

1. News crews within 30 minutes of accident were asking questions about ‘was IRS the target’ and terrorists. Austin loonies at it again. Investigation wasn’t even taking baby steps as fire fighters and EMS still inside building. The Press and some citizens want a conspiracy before the facts even are known. A bit of fear mongering I’d say, either that or a news-person with Pulitzer in his/her eyes.

2. Can’t see the terrorist angle at all against a non-downtown building with multiple tenants (incl. IRS). Best IRS target is IRS Main on IH35 South.

3. Austin does have some relatively high value targets for terrorists but not like NYC, Dallas, Houston Chicago or LA just to mention a few others.

Personally, it is an isolated incident perpetrated by a man with a grudge. Nothing more. Will not speculate on his emotional or mental state.


106 posted on 02/20/2010 9:57:19 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Tolsti2; Names Ash Housewares; SgtBob; higgmeister

Exceptions are bad things to make laws on.

You are not as opposed to tyranny as you claim what with the way you want to regulate GA.

*Security* hasn't stopped terrorists from getting on commercial planes with bombs. It's not going to help with private individuals.

So, for the record, just what kind of *security* do you purpose that would work to keep an individual bent on flying a private aircraft into a building if he wanted to?

Post 70: Wow, I’ve been called a communist. My only 2 things I’m against that aren’t libertarian are planes and drugs.

If the shoe fits......

107 posted on 02/20/2010 10:12:29 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: higgmeister; 50mm; darkwing104; Old Sarge

Time to notify the zot brigade?


108 posted on 02/20/2010 10:16:09 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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IOW, you don't have a clue about what GA is really all about.

Your PERCEPTION is that it's just a hobby for bored, rich people, and so you want to regulate it or shut it down because YOU don't see any need for it.

It doesn't matter what the need really is. You don't see that people need to be moving around the country, you think the Constitution is to regulate our lives in this country as the government gives us permission, you attack other's opinions and freedoms and then can't figure out why they are calling you an idiot and communist.

Man, you need to get your head out of, er ..the ground.....

109 posted on 02/20/2010 10:22:08 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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I know, in the end, personal flying will probably be banned after it’s used multiple times for WMD attacks. It’s just the way I see things.

No, you don't know that. You just wish it. Why should we be forced to live the way you think because of your own personal paranoia of flying. You don't want to fly? Fine. Don't.

You aren't in a hurry? Fine, Don't be.

You think driving is safer when it isn't? Fine, delude yourself.

But don't demand it of us.

For the record, please tell us when private aircraft has been used for a WMD attack once.

Bio agents? Chemical agents? Nuclear bomb? Anything?

110 posted on 02/20/2010 10:28:09 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Libs always expose themselves by playing the Class Envy card...


111 posted on 02/20/2010 10:36:34 AM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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Frankly GA’s a big risk in general with little benefit except for the bored wealthy.

Wow, I’ve been called a communist.

You sure do play the Class Envy card like one...


112 posted on 02/20/2010 10:42:59 AM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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And calling for government regulation, and lack of mobility, and.....


113 posted on 02/20/2010 10:53:34 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: darkwing104

I’ve got to get one in..

IBTZ


114 posted on 02/20/2010 10:54:46 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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I don’t fly commercial, being over 100 times more dangerous than commercial doesn’t help: in 2005 general aviation in the United States (excluding charter) suffered 1.31 fatal accidents for every 100,000 hours of flying in that country, compared to 0.016 for scheduled airline flights.

Most of us refer to The United States as "this country," not "that country." Where are you from, that you consider the U.S. a foreign country, and our ideas of freedom are foreign to you?

No thanks, I’m not a base jumper or flier. Again, with one, the public isn’t at risk.

How do you propose we eliminate the risk of pedestrians getting run over? Should we outlaw automobiles? What other limitations do you wish to impose on Americans?

115 posted on 02/20/2010 10:55:09 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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So tiresome, the part following the colon was a quote from wikipedia. The way people freak out on this thread’s just amazing.


116 posted on 02/20/2010 10:56:56 AM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2
Commie.

IBTZ.

117 posted on 02/20/2010 10:57:48 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: BykrBayb; Tolsti2; darkwing104; Names Ash Housewares; SgtBob; higgmeister; valkyry1
Most of us refer to The United States as "this country," not "that country." Where are you from, that you consider the U.S. a foreign country, and our ideas of freedom are foreign to you?

Good catch...

A state or country flag is conspicuously missing from its homepage.

Couple that with its lack of understanding of the Constitution....

How do you propose we eliminate the risk of pedestrians getting run over? Should we outlaw automobiles? What other limitations do you wish to impose on Americans?

Intersting question.

118 posted on 02/20/2010 11:01:11 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Where are you from that the American concept of freedom is foreign to you? It’s more than just your referring to this country as “that country.” After the fact, you claim to have plagarized Wikipedia, but you failed to answer any of the other questions. That doesn’t mean FReepers are freaking out. Your trolling is a reflexion on you, not the people who read your posts.


119 posted on 02/20/2010 11:02:44 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: metmom
As I said above, it was a quote off wikipedia.

GA’s already regulated by the FAA quite a bit, would you want all that removed as well? It's not a right, it's considered a privilege to fly over public land, same as driving.

120 posted on 02/20/2010 11:04:57 AM PST by Tolsti2
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