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A 20-30% VAT means my already taxed savings will be taxed again when I use it as well as my retirement money.

Here come the cuts in benefits for most of us and big taxes

1 posted on 02/19/2010 2:42:50 AM PST by The Raven
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To: The Raven

This commission will be convened so that Obama will have someone to blame for when he will have to raise exhorbant taxes on the rest of the 95% of us...

Plain and simple...

And we will be surpised, why???


2 posted on 02/19/2010 2:44:59 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: The Raven
Still no reduction in the size and scope of goobermint.......geeze, first part to getting one's financial house in order is to reduce overhead (expenses).....hmmmmm.

Reckon' the rule do not apply to them.

3 posted on 02/19/2010 2:49:41 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: The Raven

We CAN NOT allow a VAT. It can not happen. Our standard of living will go into the toilet. We will pay 2, 3 or 4 times as much for everything. Everything. And unlike the Euros, who at least, get months of vacation, we’ll have nothing to show for it. Nothing.


4 posted on 02/19/2010 2:53:58 AM PST by riri (Resistance-It's the New Black)
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To: The Raven

By golly Miss Molly they’re gonna tax something.

Even if it only gets them tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.


6 posted on 02/19/2010 3:00:18 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: The Raven; Man50D

We cannot survive without boosting GDP. It all flows from that.

A combination of gains in GDP and reduced spending must take place. Period.

Just how to do that is the only question. A VAT won’t grow GDP - to the contrary it will shrink it and hence reduce tax revenues. Further, it is likely to be in addition to our income tax which is like really the worst for GDP.

A flat income tax would help as long as the rate is sufficiently low to promote growth and attract investment. 19-20%. But it would have to be in place of our current income tax code and the current flat tax proposals don’t do that - they retain withholding of taxes and they retain FICA taxes [current proposals are 15.3 FICA plus 17% income taxes.]

An NRST would help as long as the rate is sufficiently low to promote growth and attract investment. 20% or so. IF an nrst completely replaced our income tax code, it would mean a ginormous GDP gain.

... just sayin’...


7 posted on 02/19/2010 3:04:08 AM PST by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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“Democrats agree to cut Medicare and Social Security benefits for future retirees who make more than median incomes”

so, now that we have contributed to these programs all our lives, instead of cutting ‘welfare’, medicaid funding of illegals and others who wont work, this is where they want to slash spending? Wonder when AARP will speak out against this?


8 posted on 02/19/2010 3:11:33 AM PST by oldmomster
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Here where I live there is nearly no income tax but a VAT is in place at 7 percent if I remember right. Nowwwwww IF they would create a VAT Tax and at the same stroke of the pen eleminate the IRS enslavement on income taxes I would have to think long and hard about not supporting one.
14 posted on 02/19/2010 4:26:25 AM PST by jedi150
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The VAT is a politician's wet dream.

With a VAT, politicians can raise the tax on a whim and when the cost of goods and services go up as a result, stupid voters blame the "greedy" business people for high prices instead of the politicians for the high taxes.

Anything that is good for a politician is bad for the nation and should be avoided. We know how to solve our money problems and a VAT isn't one of the solutions.

16 posted on 02/19/2010 5:05:30 AM PST by GBA
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To: The Raven

We have GOT to win back the House and Senate and at least slow down Obama’s agenda.


17 posted on 02/19/2010 5:27:24 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Islam is incompatible with American traditions and values)
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To: The Raven

This is punitive...either the American People WILL accept a “healthcare” (tax) bill, a “Cap and Fraud” (tax) bill or a VAT...where do these clowns get off?!!!

STOP SPENDING!! Two words.short. and sweet.


18 posted on 02/19/2010 5:35:11 AM PST by mo
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To: The Raven

I am in favor of some kind of consumption tax — preferably a national sales tax that people can see rather than a hidden VAT.

But there should be absolutely no consumption tax until the all taxes on income, savings and investment are eliminated.

The Democrats have the presidency and strong majorities in the House and Senate. They can increase taxes if they want to, but are well-aware that their expected losses in November will increase substantially if they vote to gouge us even further.

This commission provides political cover so they can add consumption taxes while at the same time continuing to penalize income, savings and investment.


19 posted on 02/19/2010 7:53:31 AM PST by walford (http://the-big-pic.org)
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