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Seriously? Gibbons thinks the Constitution allocates power to the Federal Government to be in charge of education????? Not sure which Constitution he's reading from.
1 posted on 02/17/2010 6:10:43 AM PST by geniusbyosmosis
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The Constitution is the last roadblock to Communism.


2 posted on 02/17/2010 6:12:03 AM PST by screaminsunshine
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"Gibbons thinks the Constitution allocates power to the Federal Government to be in charge of education."

Education is interstate COMMERCE as well?

3 posted on 02/17/2010 6:14:01 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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Gibbons thinks the Constitution allocates power to the Federal Government to be in charge of education?
Sure, it's right there in the same section that allows abortions.
5 posted on 02/17/2010 6:17:29 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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the salt shakers in the schools


6 posted on 02/17/2010 6:19:30 AM PST by hecht
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There was a tactic I read about in “Radicals for Capitalism,” whereby libertarians would stymie libs and complacent conservatives by naively questioning the commonplace as if it were outlandish. “Public education? What’s that? Can you recommend any books to read on the subject?”


8 posted on 02/17/2010 6:29:09 AM PST by Tublecane
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There is nothing, nada, in the Constitution about the federal government allocating power for education. There is however the general Welfare clause - "to provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States..." Which means of course that Ruth Bader Ginsburg et al can interpret that any way they want.

And which once again means that the Supreme Court indulges in arbitrary rationalizations, under guise of the "Law," with no more wisdom, background, or experience, than any of we the citizens.

Historically for most of the Republic's duration the federal government had nothing to do with education. And of course we prospered accordingly.

Thus it is up to us to determine how we want to play it; through a centralized federal government that feeds us, as its distant untouchable officials see fit; or through our own local prerogatives. The crux of Left versus Right.

Johnny Suntrade

10 posted on 02/17/2010 6:37:51 AM PST by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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FYI- From wikpedia

The United States Department of Education, also referred to as ED or the ED for (the) Education Department, is a Cabinet-level department of the United States government. Created by the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88), it was signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on October 17, 1979 and began operating on May 16, 1980.

The Department of Education Organization Act divided the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare into the Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services. The Department of Education is administered by the United States Secretary of Education.


12 posted on 02/17/2010 6:47:07 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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Mission of DE (Success or Failure?)

http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/role.html

Despite the growth of the Federal role in education, the Department never strayed far from what would become its official mission: to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access.

The Department carries out its mission in two major ways. First, the Secretary and the Department play a leadership role in the ongoing national dialogue over how to improve the results of our education system for all students. This involves such activities as raising national and community awareness of the education challenges confronting the Nation, disseminating the latest discoveries on what works in teaching and learning, and helping communities work out solutions to difficult educational issues.

Second, the Department pursues its twin goals of access and excellence through the administration of programs that cover every area of education and range from preschool education through postdoctoral research. For more information on the Department’s programs see the President’s FY 2011 Budget Request for Education.


13 posted on 02/17/2010 6:50:21 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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History of ED ( started out innocuous enough, I might have supported the initial effort. Note this was shortly after the civil war to put it in context)

http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/role.html

The original Department of Education was created in 1867 to collect information on schools and teaching that would help the States establish effective school systems. While the agency's name and location within the Executive Branch have changed over the past 130 years, this early emphasis on getting information on what works in education to teachers and education policymakers continues down to the present day.

The passage of the Second Morrill Act in 1890 gave the then-named Office of Education responsibility for administering support for the original system of land-grant colleges and universities. Vocational education became the next major area of Federal aid to schools, with the 1917 Smith-Hughes Act and the 1946 George-Barden Act focusing on agricultural, industrial, and home economics training for high school students.

World War II led to a significant expansion of Federal support for education. The Lanham Act in 1941 and the Impact Aid laws of 1950 eased the burden on communities affected by the presence of military and other Federal installations by making payments to school districts. And in 1944, the “GI Bill” authorized postsecondary education assistance that would ultimately send nearly 8 million World War II veterans to college.

The Cold War stimulated the first example of comprehensive Federal education legislation, when in 1958 Congress passed the National Defense Education Act (NDEA) in response to the Soviet launch of Sputnik. To help ensure that highly trained individuals would be available to help America compete with the Soviet Union in scientific and technical fields, the NDEA included support for loans to college students, the improvement of science, mathematics, and foreign language instruction in elementary and secondary schools, graduate fellowships, foreign language and area studies, and vocational-technical training.

The anti-poverty and civil rights laws of the 1960s and 1970s brought about a dramatic emergence of the Department's equal access mission. The passage of laws such as Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 which prohibited discrimination based on race, sex, and disability, respectively made civil rights enforcement a fundamental and long-lasting focus of the Department of Education. In 1965, the Elementary and Secondary Education Act launched a comprehensive set of programs, including the Title I program of Federal aid to disadvantaged children to address the problems of poor urban and rural areas. And in that same year, the Higher Education Act authorized assistance for postsecondary education, including financial aid programs for needy college students.

In 1980, Congress established the Department of Education as a Cabinet level agency. Today, ED operates programs that touch on every area and level of education. The Department's elementary and secondary programs annually serve nearly 14,000 school districts and some 56 million students attending roughly 99,000 public schools and 34,000 private schools. Department programs also provide grant, loan, and work-study assistance to more than 14 million postsecondary students.

15 posted on 02/17/2010 6:55:09 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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I must last point out...one thing the commenters and myself neglected to point out is this...How can an “allegedly” conservative candidate for US Congress not know the Constitution well enough to know there is nothing that explicitly or even implicitly gives the Federal Government authority over our educations.


25 posted on 02/17/2010 8:09:18 AM PST by geniusbyosmosis
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That is not what Gibbons said.

http://theiowarepublican.com/home/2010/02/23/funk’s-attack-of-gibbons-is-sloppy-and-untrue/

http://caffeinatedthoughts.com/?p=5140


28 posted on 02/23/2010 2:08:39 PM PST by iowamark
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