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To: Flightdeck
“To be fair to our colleagues from WG2 and WG3, climate scientists do have a much simpler task. The system we study is ruled by the well-known laws of physics, there is plenty of hard data and peer-reviewed studies, and the science is relatively mature. The greenhouse effect was discovered in 1824 by Fourier, the heat trapping properties of CO2 and other gases were first measured by Tyndall in 1859, the climate sensitivity to CO2 was first computed in 1896 by Arrhenius, and by the 1950s the scientific foundations were pretty much understood.”

I think this statement is fundamentally flawed. The climate sensitivity to CO2 is one of the most contentious issues in the debate about AGW. The climate models are reported to assume that there are positive feedback effects that magnify the direct effects of CO2 rise by about 5X.

11 posted on 02/14/2010 8:45:14 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The credibility of your statement in your post significantly increases if there is indisputable scientific data that shows no “greenhouse affect”.

Try This...

VIDEO Joe Bastardi of Accuweather.com in debunking blame of CA fires on Global Warming, debunks GW
Accuweather.com ^ | 9/10/09 | PRO1

Posted on Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:02:57 PM by PRO 1

Joe Bastardi of Accuweather.com on Accuweather’s website and again on Bill O’Reilly’s show 9/9/09 presents irrefutable evidence which debunks claims by environmentalists that California’s wild fires were caused by Global Warming. In a few short minutes and with just a few graphics of charts and images He debunks contemporary claims of Global Warming entirely.

Certainly, many far better than myself, have refuted the false claims of Global Warming and the so called human cause of it. But for obvious reasons, those who’s attempts to do so have been thwarted by a biased agendized media, disinterested and dishonest politicians, and an ignorant distracted public.

Few of us were of the scientific background to immediately refute or take the time or expend the resources to independently research the topic entirely to where we would be fully informed. Combing the volumes of research data where deep within lay the truths that would expose the fraud has been something inaccessible to most Americans.

This is how they fooled and/or silenced most of us. Not because we were stupid but because we lacked the “at finger tip” tools to refute the liars as they told their tale.
Here is a tool. Here is a very simple, easy to replay, irrefutable presentation that is for even the layman (which most of us are) to comprehend and understand.

Not being a skilled poster I apologize in advance. I’ve always sought a simple brief presentation (which I knew would come along eventually) that I could show people I know which would prove Global Warming to be a fraud, or at a minimum, show it to be highly suspect.

Think for a moment of all the billions if not trillions of dollars which has been stolen from the American taxpayer to prop up a complete fraud. Because if it indeed is a fraud, then every action based on that fraud that has been taken is equally fraudulent also. The list includes; Greenhouse Gasses, Cafe Standards, all “green” initiatives (Fed,State,Local), “Green” related products, bogus research grants, all related taxes, all government legislation and bureaucracies, Climate Change, Oil consumption and exploration restrictions, and all other actions taken in response to a completely false and unsubstantiated premise called “Global Warming”.

All the fraud, all the wasted energy, all the wasted tax and business expenses would end if we can just reach everyone with the truth.

Link:
http://www.accuweather.com/video-on-demand.asp?video=37129475001

Added perspective:

Regardless of your opinion, if there serves to arise a significant preponderance of evidence that contends with your previously held opinion or conviction, you are duty bound (if you seek to claim objective credibility or integrity) to give such evidence its proper place and consider reevaluation of previously held conclusions. The source of such evidence can be influential in the ascertain of credibility, but can only rise to second place when faced with the significance and power of the evidence itself. Consider also that source consideration trends to be highly subjective as well.

This is especially true with evidence that is in video. Displayed in its full context, video evidence can and does provide powerful irrefutable information to the observer. I refer to a similar presentation by Joe Bastardi on the Bill O’Reilly show mentioned above with the video link to this supplied below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Y2iF99kOY

The video link includes an interesting picture that is proof of a typical glaring contradiction in practice that is typical with Global Warming promoters found predominantly among the upper echelon of the GW promoters. It is a picture of a hot air balloon owned an flown by GreenPeace.

Now could anyone logically conclude that they are “plugged in”, or “at the tip of the spear” of the GW movement as far as “facts”, data, research, and promotion would be concerned? ABSOLUTELY. So if this is correct, why would GreenPeace, own and fly an object who’s end (to successfully operate) would produce (in significant quantity) 2 of the very products, heat and the by product of flame – CO2, that are the very things they claim to lobby against the production of for the rest of us.

Do you note the immense contradiction and sheer hypocrisy? I’ve seen it with my own eyes live. They were at the Albuquerque Balloon Fiesta. They were also included in local print news regarding a tiff they were having with the Fiesta promoters for failing to register their balloon properly as an entry. (I include this to end any foolish claim that the balloon would not exist. Don’t try it.)

There is a motive or explanation for all contradiction or hypocrisy. When they went through all the logistics of the idea, planning the design, purchase of the balloon (ie… Federal $ and/or private donation $), not to mention the repetitious purchases of propane to fly it at various events, do you think possibly even one of them had the thought that everything related to the balloon contradicts everything they stand for???? NOT A ONE OF THEM. The balloon would have to come to be at the approval of the highest levels of management of GreenPeace.

Well the conclusion rhetorical and logical. THEY don’t believe in their own propaganda. They know it IS purely propaganda, a lie, A FRAUD. Else they would live by the rhetoric they espouse and their conduct would be evidence of that at least. GreenPeace’s own conduct with this alone is proof positive, their silent admition to any logical observer that human caused Global Warming as they represent it to others to be reason we should be taxed and regulated as they recommend, IS A FRAUD.

Al Gore Et. Al. Et Uz you are all liars knowingly.

CASE CLOSED.


12 posted on 02/15/2010 10:24:03 AM PST by PRO 1 (POX on posters who's political bent causes them to refuse to be confused by the FACTS!!!!!!)
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