Climategate's Phil Jones Confesses to Climate Fraud

American Thinker ^ | February 14, 2010 | Marc Sheppard

[cbkaty]

[lawnguy]

On the other hand, if the MWP was global, but was less warm that today, then current warmth would be unprecedented.

What a freaking moron. The time span he is talking about is barely the blink of an eye in the long history of the planet. To call anything that has happened in such a small time frame "unprecedented" is to live in a fantasy land.

[ripley]

Everyone knows that those who have proven that global warming exists are brilliant, intellectual, all-knowing,
objective scientists who love the earth and all mankind.

It’s all of you right-wing, knuckle-dragging, ignorant, bible-thumping, gun-toting, nazi, right-wingers who are conspiring to present information which is dishonest, deceitful, untrue and dismissive of the greatest threat to mankind that has ever existed.

Shame on you all!

/S/

IMHO

[Erik Latranyi]

Both the Roman Warming (around 2 thousand years before the present) and the Holocene Warming Period (between 8 and 4 thousand years before the present of the current interglacial) as well as the previous 4 interglacial periods were all much warmer than this last bit of the current interglacial.

While I believe this is true, the issue at hand is that it is near-impossible to PROVE as true because temperature measurements were not widely kept, the instruments were crude (a few degrees here or there) and not worldwide. Also, our abiity to to uncover actual temperatures by reading ice cores, tree rings, etc is not precise enough for determining a 0.2 degree change.

The true fact here is that no warming is noted since records were kept and that there is no current way to tell what temperatures were in the past.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

It’s all part of the new Global religion based on Pantheism. Forget the facts and data. It’s all a matter of “faith”, right or wrong.

[jsh3180]

I’m really enjoying the unraveling of this hoax. There’s a certain smug satisfaction in seeing one’s analysis of this fraud vindicated after so many years of pointing out the obvious fallacies. After being thrown in a category described as “deniers, flat-earthers, kooks, big oil/corporate whores” etc., etc., it’s a thing of beauty to watch this “science is settled” theory go down in flames.

That being said, what I find truly beyond belief, is the number of “true believers” who refuse to even listen to what Dr. Phil Jones is admitting. Who refuse to acknowledge the stories of manipulated data, fraudulent studies, intimidation of opposing views.

The believers are having a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I’ve no doubt that 100 years from now this will be studied in psychology books. It easily could go into an updated version of “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds”

The cult members are seeing their religious views questioned and refuse to see that the Emperor has no clothes. The closest I’ve seen a true believer come to an admission that perhaps he’s been hoodwinked, was after a discussion when a guy listened to what I had to say without any response or interruption, until finally, with a pained look on his face he said “Why are you so against clean, renewable, efficient energy?”

[maica]

Apparently the BBC pension plans have been heavily invested in funds that are planning to own/administer “carbon credits.”

I wonder how many pension plans - union, government, private - have done the same thing?

They all have a vested interest in keeping the hoax alive. They have bet real money on the success of this criminal hoax.

[arthurus]

The Hoax may be over but the power grab is not.

[Eddie01]

Forget those pawns! Which politicians who spent billions of tax dollars on this crap are going to prision.

[comps4spice]

Global warming is a cult.

[aruanan]

While I believe this is true, the issue at hand is that it is near-impossible to PROVE as true because temperature measurements were not widely kept, the instruments were crude (a few degrees here or there) and not worldwide. Also, our abiity to to uncover actual temperatures by reading ice cores, tree rings, etc is not precise enough for determining a 0.2 degree change.

The true fact here is that no warming is noted since records were kept and that there is no current way to tell what temperatures were in the past.

It's quite easy to demonstrate using various proxies. Besides, even noting the rise and fall of mercury in a thermometer is a proxy measurement of temperature. Here is a temperature record up to the end of the last glacial period



By the way, as far as ice cores go, ice transmits heat very poorly. The length of an ice core contains a history of the temperatures under which the ice was deposited. In the recent past this replicates, albeit at a lower temperature, the Medieval Warming Period and the Little Ice Age.

[slowhandluke]

not worldwide

That's not really true. We don't really need the temperature to a tenth of a degree to decide if something was warmer back then or not. In Europe, we have evidence of human habitation showing up as glaciers recede - positive evidence of a warmer past. In Japan, we have a hundreds of years of court records of when the cherry trees blossomed, a much better temperature proxy than the bristlecone pine tree.

There are proxy variables for temperature that are provable sensitive to temperature (like the cherry trees, and unlike the bristlecone pines), and not subject to the cherry-picking selection fraud like the tree cores from Yamal. See: http://www.john-daly.com/hockey/hockey.htm

[slowhandluke]

An more comprehensive study of the Medieval Warm Period: Medieval Warm Period Project

[hinckley buzzard]

there is no current way to tell what temperatures were in the past.

That's going way overboard. The IPCC's problem with proxies is not they don't work, but that they were poorly selected and misused. For a discussion of proxy measures, which btw do reflect the worldwide scope of Medieval Warming, eg, Carbon 14 and oxygen isotopes, seabed sediment samples etc, see Unstoppable (Every 1500 Years) Global Warming by Fred Singer and Dennis Avery.

[hinckley buzzard]

There is a classic study, "When Prophecy Fails" that analyses the thinking of a doomsday cult. They sold all their belongings and gathered on a hilltop to await the end of the world, which obviously did not come. The study of how they reacted psychologically to this event is quite interesting. Many true believers found ways to "keep the faith" and just reset the clock.

Warmists will soon be saying, "Well even if the data isn't there it makes sense to save the planet anyway(Never exlaining why)," and ignoring the loss of the primary rationale for their mis-spent careers.

[NicknamedBob]

"If there is no greenhous effect there also can’t be a greenhouse gas."

That's an unwarranted conclusion. The primary greenhouse gas is water vapor, which affects temperature in ways both positive and negative, in the lower atmosphere as well as the upper atmosphere.

The real question is not whether carbon dioxide is increasing, as it clearly must, but whether its greenhouse gas function is totally or predominantly masked by the overwhelming presence of water vapor.

[listenhillary]

[opentalk]

bttt

It is going to get harder to sell here.- Kerry,Graham,Obama

[lewislynn]

That's an unwarranted conclusion. The primary greenhouse gas is water vapor,

Yeah, in a greenhouse. Otherwise where's the global greenhouse affect?

Or is normal weather no longer weather but renamed greenhouse instead?

[neverdem]

Thanks for the links.