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1 posted on 02/13/2010 12:59:40 AM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove
How's dear ole dad doing these days? ... :-)


2 posted on 02/13/2010 1:08:22 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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This is a Golf II submarine
4 posted on 02/13/2010 1:10:51 AM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Don't forget ole Howard Hughes, too... :-)

Howard Hughes

"I am determined to elect a president of our choosing this year and one who will be deeply indebted, and who will recognize his indebtedness. Since I am willing to go beyond all limitations on this, I think we should be able to select a candidate and a party who knows the facts of political life....If we select Nixon, then he, I know for sure knows the facts of life."
-- from handwritten memos by Howard Hughes, early in the 1968 presidential campaign

5 posted on 02/13/2010 1:14:24 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: sonofstrangelove

How did that go: Order in the court. The judge is eating beans. He is sitting in the bathtub sinking submarines.


13 posted on 02/13/2010 1:52:11 AM PST by Sarah-bot
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To: sonofstrangelove

Nothing in the article that I see that hasn’t been published before. Nothing about Sunnyvale.


16 posted on 02/13/2010 2:01:22 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (California -- Ya es como Mexico)
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To: sonofstrangelove
The episode began after a Soviet Golf-II submarine, the K-129, sank in 1968 in an accident 1,560 miles northwest of Hawaii, the cause of which remains unclear.

.. the effect however is clear in the minds of some. Ninety-nine men lost when the Soviets lured the U.S.S Scorpion into a trap believing that a collision with the U.S.S. Swordfish sank their boat.

Not one word about the U.S.S Scorpion here or in the article?

In possession of the latest encrytion gear taken from the U.S.S. Pueblo and virtual daily updates by John Walker the Soviets could indeed track the Scorpion

According to the book All Hands Down about the 1968 destruction of the submarine USS Scorpion investigators were ordered that hostile action was not to be given any consideration.

Though it is very likely that the Soviets lured the Scorpion into a trap the LBJ administration and the Nixon administration did not want to hear it.

The book quotes a source involved in the official investigation: "Ninety-nine men are not worth [what would follow]. Other reasons had to be found for the loss."

OK so an immediate war with the Soviets (nukes and all) would be a hefty price to pay but couldn't Nixon/Kissenger have delayed détente? Or something!

20 posted on 02/13/2010 4:13:45 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: sonofstrangelove

“The project was nearly cancelled over its mushrooming costs”.
In reality this was one of the most cost effective projects the U.S. has undertaken.
Reason to obtain the sub was to obtain Russian Top Secret
Crypto Codes used in their and our Top Secret Communications.
It succeeded.
Soviiest had no idea for a few years that we’d in fact obtained their codes.


21 posted on 02/13/2010 5:00:43 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Obammy is little more than a quota boy.)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Interesting place for "nosing around" on this subject:

http://www.ttbrown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=459&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=60

I got there by searching for the September, 2002 issue of "The Sub Committee Report Magazine" based on this lead from the mikekemble site:

"The following item was sent to me by its author Tom Docherty in November 2004. It was written for The Sub Committee Report Magazine. September 2002 Edition. Reproduced here with the author's permission. http://subcommittee.com/"

That is the "scanned article with the bottom parts of many pages "grayed out" by apparent "early EOFs" (End-Of-File characters). Probably computer glitches -- but, possibly, a crude means of "redaction"...

31 posted on 02/13/2010 12:08:51 PM PST by TXnMA (D'Aleo re Hansen's "GISS" temperature database: "Non Gradus Anus Rodentum!")
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