Posted on 02/08/2010 9:57:05 AM PST by ethical
By your standard, then, child porn, child abuse, public indecency are just opinions rooted in some ancient societal hang up. If we are not to judge homosexuality as wrong, then who are we to judge sex with a child as wrong? Or child porn?
And what exactly constitutes *child abuse*? Religious teaching like the likes of Dawkins states? Spanking? Yelling? Where do you draw the line?
And why should public indecency be considered *indecent* if not for some Victorian era hang ups about the human body? Who's to say that is wrong?
We need to be open minded and accepting of those who like child porn and walking around naked. After all, it's all about freedom and liberty and being able to express oneself, isn't it?
So why are you so narrow minded as to want to take a dull knife to those who practice child porn, child abuse, public indecency? Aren't you the great advocate of protecting and defending the free exchange of ideas?
Not trying to be sarky (this time, really), but isn't this a *bit* of a stretch? I mean, equating wearing a uniform to the act of looking for sex is a little demeaning to millions of heterosexuals who go bar hopping in uniform and every woman who ever uttered the phrase "I think men in uniform are SO handsome!".
kAcknor, what is it like having your beliefs held to your own standards? Have you the intestinal fortitude to answer?
Last I heard beastiality is illegal. Homosexual sex is not.
I’m sure your just taking your time to formulate your answers to all those other posts.
We’re waiting.
No, because the men and women do not share sleeping and shower facilities, as in men or women only housing.
That keeps the sexes apart and reduces the interaction between the sexes. That barrier is removed by allowing men who are sexually attracted to other men in close quarters.
They keep men and women apart for that basic reason and with the gays serving openly in the military, it allows sex to be the distraction they are trying to prevent it from being by separating men and women.
THAT’s what contributes to being bad for morale, again, aside from the fact that not too many straight guys I’ve ever met would be very comfortable, or complimented, by being hit on by a gay.
It used to be.
But with this free exchange of ideas that we are supposed to have, it's time to make bestiality legal so those who like to practice it can serve openly in the military as well.
It used to be illegal and listed as a sexual deviance. Homosexuals threw tantrums until it was removed from the list. If you are so pro freedom then why aren’t you advocating for people to have the freedom to have sex with animals?
Great minds and all!
Nice try. Homosexual behavior is illegal and will result in discharge.
Specifically, the regulations state that homosexual behavior is not compatible with military service. Homosexual behavior is a specific reason for discharge from military service (see AFI 36-3206). Therefore, both bestiality and homosexual behavior (aka homosexual sex) are illegal.
In the Armed forces, the regulations ARE the law. Every Air Force retiree knows this. When you said you're an Air Force retiree. You weren't fibbing, right?
Are you going to try again?
Good grief! Do you harbor a belief in you own importance? My opinions are mine. I've stated them many different ways over two days. But I think I'm talking to rocks.
This is a discussion to express and learn, to hear opposing views and use them to bolster your own thoughts or modify them as one recognizes inconsistencies. Our own beliefs are tossed up into our faces every day of our lives if we have the smarts to notice.
As for these: child porn, child abuse, public indecency the first two are an assault on a child, the last is admittedly open to more interpretation. Look at any picture of the beach from 100 years ago with the certain knowledge that if a male or female wearing beach attire that is perfectly acceptable today ere to step out onto that sand, they would have been immediately arrested for... Public Indecently.
If I'm not mistaken, buggering livestock is legal in Sweden. They're so much more enlightened then us Americans with our antiquated Victorian attitudes towards sex. They accepted homosexuality much earlier than us. That just goes to show how much more progressive they are.
You're progressive kAcknor, aren't you?
So, if homosexual behavior is grounds for discharge from the military and that means that homosexuals should not practice it but need to remain celibate (for lack of a better term), then what exactly is the point in them serving *openly* in the military in the first place?
If they can’t practice it, nobody needs to know.
Then what exactly are they trying to prove or push or accomplish?
I’ve noticed that about us....
Nice try?!?! LOL, now you've got me for sure I guess.
The original question was: It is illegal for gays to serve openly in the military, should we allow it?
So now you state flatly that we can not, because it's... Illegal!
Brilliant. Were to have known I was arguing against such intelligence I would have given up after my first post and just saved the time.
You need to work more on the *recognizing inconsistencies*, as in *yours*.
Far from it, and there is no call to get nasty.
On the contrary. The argument is over here. Since Grizzled Bear called me into a completely different thread with the slander of "Here’s your chance to promote perversion!" the conversation has mainly been about me, my past postings and a wondering of how I could have survived for more than a decade on FR. The issue of gays in the Military that started it has been secondary at best.
I'm tired people. It's time for bed here. If we ever get a chance to meet face to face the first round is on me, and we can talk.
Well, jeepers, you’re way ahead of us narrow minded, Victorian era thinkers in open minded thinking, just like they are in Europe.
That doesn’t count as “progressive”?
Goodnight everyone.
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