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1 posted on 02/08/2010 9:20:35 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Good move. The Islamists will never give peace for land. Those ideas are delusional.


2 posted on 02/08/2010 9:23:16 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Nachum

Actually, “land for peace” is the right policy. Its just that they have the wires reversed.

Every breach of the peace should result in land being annexed by Israel. Every rocket that makes it over the fence, every deluded teen-aged suicide bomber that makes it through the checkpoint should be answered by moving the border fence forward, permanently.

They won’t have to do it many times before the lesson is learned.


3 posted on 02/08/2010 9:27:17 AM PST by marron
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To: Nachum

For a moment, I thought this might be US Senator Joe Lieberman, and I was shocked that he spoke so sensibly. Still, I’m glad to hear an Israeli leader who finally gets it.


4 posted on 02/08/2010 9:32:38 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Nachum

Makes perfect sense. Let’s hope Israel’s leaders have finally, finally learned that lesson - each time they give away part of their tiny state, they get greater terrorism, not less. Israel has taken apart the homes and communities and transferred populations of so many in an elusive pipe dream that predictably turned into a pipe bomb.

If the Palestinian Arab leaders and their Muslim and Communist and useful idiot financial backers ever realize that Israel has the right and the obligation by international law and God’s law - even Allah’s law and Karl Marx’s law- to live and thrive in the world’s one, universally recognized Jewish homeland..Palestine/Israel. there will true peace for all.

Muslims have full civil rights, including medical, educational and legal rights and services in tiny Israel, but, in stark contrast, the Muslim countries refuse Jews the right to live in their vast Muslim countries.

Is there outrage for injustice against Jews? Where is the world’s voice on Muslim racism and violation of human rights and its cancerous incitement and production of terrorism? Instead voices that can be called nothing short of evil join with a rehearsed useful idiot chorus in an attempt to destroy the world’s Jewish country.


7 posted on 02/08/2010 10:00:49 AM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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"Peace is in fact our heart's desire, but it is not more important than Israel's existence as the state of the Jewish people or than lasting security for its citizens. We extend our hand in peace to enemies, but as long as they choose the path of war, we must be firm, return battle, and defeat the enemy. We must strive for victory instead of talking about possible compromise, interpreted as weakness by our enemies."
Israel should withdraw to the pre-war 1967 borders -- then when the Arabs inevitably attack, completely annihilate their armies, expel all Arabs from Israel, Gaza, and "the West Bank", clean out the Hizzies in Lebanon with whatever level of force and explosives is necessary, and leave a greasy spot where Damascus is now -- then take Sinai back if Egypt participated in the war. Thanks Nachum, I needed a good rant today.
8 posted on 02/08/2010 10:10:26 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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I know my view isn’t popular here but Lieberman isn’t right about this. In a very few years the majority of the population between the Jordan River and the sea will be Arab. Unless you can slow down the reproduction rate among the Palestinians you’d have minority rule in Israel. That is a recipe for disaster.

Israel needs to divorce itself from Arab population centers. It needs to be done on terms that are beneficial to Israel’s security, not based on the 1949 armistice line, the so-called 1967 borders that were never recognized or agreed upon borders for anything.

Yes, Israel must keep control of the Jordan Valley until we have had at least a generation of peace. I don’t see that happening anytime soon. We must keep strategic high ground east of the green line, places like Gilboa and Alfe Menashe. We certainly should keep the Jewish suburbs of Jerusalem. We should keep areas that were Jewish prior to 1948 such as the Etzion bloc. Jerusalem should never be divided and we should never surrender the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron or the Jewish enclave there. I would create a finger of land within the fence as has been done with Ariel to reach Hebron and the nearby Jewish communities like Kiryat Arba.

You can do all of that and still have a contiguous area encompassing perhaps 80% or even 85% of the West Bank that could be autonomous and have Arab self-rule in those areas, a disarmed state of sorts, such as Prime Minister Netanyahu envisions. Other than the Philadelphi Road, Israel should never reoccupy Gaza.

Do those things and you can claim a Palestinian state, albeit one with no power to attack Israel and no agreed upon borders, and maintain nearly the 80% Jewish majority Israel now enjoys.

Will the Arabs accept this? Of course not! I’m not saying we should give them much choice in the matter.


9 posted on 02/08/2010 1:19:35 PM PST by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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10 posted on 02/08/2010 3:46:39 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Nachum
We extend our hand in peace to enemies, but as long as they choose the path of war, we must be firm, return battle, and defeat the enemy. We must strive for victory instead of talking about possible compromise, interpreted as weakness by our enemies.

A concept lost on Obama.

Imagine; compromise being interpreted as weakness. . .

11 posted on 02/08/2010 5:49:32 PM PST by cricket
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To: Nachum
Wow, some 30+ years after the Camp David Agreements, Israel gets it.

The Palestinians are pretty much irrelevant now.

13 posted on 02/08/2010 10:05:26 PM PST by happygrl (Continuing to predict that 0bama will resign)
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To: Nachum

You killed her! You killed the wicked piece. Hail, Lieberman. The wicked piece process is dead.


17 posted on 02/09/2010 11:54:02 AM PST by Eleutheria5 ( Two-state solution: A bad idea whose time has gone.)
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To: Nachum

Gee Joe, all you had to do was ask any palestinian,
they would have told you that.


23 posted on 02/12/2010 8:44:08 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Nachum

Ah, sorry , not joe. My mistake.


24 posted on 02/12/2010 8:44:37 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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