[Grizzled Bear]

Perhaps the ugly truth is that soldiers and sailors already know who is gay in their units and who isn't and that the gay soldiers and sailors are in many units exemplary and significantly outperforming their straight colleagues.

That's quite an amazing claim you're making. I suppose you have data or other evidence to back it up.

Despite the stereotype of the "neat, clean, hardworking gay man," I've noticed those who have been discharged were usually the opposite. Many were obsessive about their hair or clothing, but more often than not, their quarters were pig-styies.

[johnnycap]

I guess we are both basing our conjecture on a statistically insignificant data set. But who among us has the time to do a full scientific study (certainly not our friends in the climate change community!). So, for now, let’s assume there are neat gays and messy gays and that if there are all elements of the spectrum, then we are intellectually confident enough to consider all elements of the arguement from a theoretical perspective. That, I feel, is what makes for a healthy discussion. The result may reinforce our beliefs, temper our passions, or even change our perspective but at least we will have considered...