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“Quite frequently in Civil War threads some U.S. supporter will make the claim that the Southern actions were illegal because Article I, Section 10 says that states cannot enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation. The response from the Lost Causers is always that Article I, Section 10 did not apply because the seceding states were no longer in the Union and not under the Constitution. And that same argument invalidates your position as well. If a state is expelled then it is not under the Constitution. As a result, it has no Article V guarantees and it is not entitled to representation. So what prevents a state from being expelled against its will?”

Your OWN admission in post #410 contradicts( any and ALL )of your positions.

“I don't have a problem with a liberal state seceding. I don't have a problem with any state seceding if that's what the people there truly want. Just work out all the issues about their share of debt and national obligations, the return of federal property and the like in a manner that is fair to both sides and I'm willing to wave bye-bye.”

If Texas does vote for secession - Plus, Sends delegates for that PEACEFUL separation - Then are denied that peaceful resolution - Who's side are you on? Just askin’

The American people, North and South, went into the [Civil] war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects … what they thus lost they have never got back. – H.L. Mencken

Your OWN admission in post #410 contradicts( any and ALL )of your positions.

Please tell me that you cannot be so moronic as to miss the fact that I'm asking other's to justify their position that states can leave without consent but states cannot be expelled without consent? I mean really, you've been sticking your nose into these threads for how long now and you someone managed to conclude that I've reversed my position over the past two days? Do you honestly think you boobs are that persuasive as to get me to change over night? My God, you people truly are legends in your own mind.

But for your benefit, and to nip any sort of happy victory dance you're contemplating right in the bud, my position as stated in 410 hasn't changed.

You people....

If Texas does vote for secession - Plus, Sends delegates for that PEACEFUL separation - Then are denied that peaceful resolution - Who's side are you on? Just askin’

Assuming that the overwhelming majority of Texans expressed a desire to secede and Texas had truly tried to negotiate a separation in good faith, then I would say that Texas had been wronged and that Congress had failed in its duty. And God help me I would actually be on the side of Texas.

"On the side of Texas." I can't believe I said that...