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To: rwfromkansas
The question of nullification is tricky, but how is secession a definite no?

I never said secession was a definite no.

Keep in mind that the states joined together in union. If the very principle of that union is based on the right to withdraw, why can’t a state leave later, just leaving that union?

Except that 37 our of 50 states (44 out of 57 for Barack Obama) didn't join anything. They were admitted, and only with the permission of a majority of the other states as expressed through a vote in both houses of Congress. Why shouldn't leaving require the same?

358 posted on 02/09/2010 11:34:15 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur; rwfromkansas
Except that 37 our of 50 states (44 out of 57 for Barack Obama) didn't join anything. They were admitted, and only with the permission of a majority of the other states as expressed through a vote in both houses of Congress. Why shouldn't leaving require the same?

That's crazy.

My wife and I both had to sit for Membership examinations with the Eldership of our church prior to being admitted into communicant voting membership.

Should we so desire, however, we can freely leave the church at any time.

The fact that a voluntary club practices limited admission does not in any way imply that the club has a right to put a gun to the head of dissatisfied members to force them to stay. Or do you think that churches should have the right to threaten their parishioners with violence if they decide to take their worship elsewhere?

362 posted on 02/09/2010 11:45:10 AM PST by Christian_Capitalist
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To: Non-Sequitur; All

> They were admitted, and only with the permission of a
> majority of the other states as expressed through a vote
> in both houses of Congress. Why shouldn't leaving require
> the same?

If you haven't read the Declaration of Independence in a while, I encourage you to look at it now (courtesy of USHistory.org):

Declaration of Independence

If you compare the text of the 1776 document to the grievances that most States (and Americans) have against the Federal Government in 2010, you'll find the VAST majority of the “Facts be submitted to a candid world” are the SAME.


384 posted on 02/09/2010 12:31:50 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Except that 37 our of 50 states (44 out of 57 for Barack Obama) didn't join anything. They were admitted, and only with the permission of a majority of the other states as expressed through a vote in both houses of Congress. Why shouldn't leaving require the same?

"Why shouldn't leaving require the same?" Look at only the second clause of the Constitution (I assume that you've read at least the first two) to find your answer:

Article. I. Section. 2. The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

If your argument was correct, then Representatives would have to apply to the federal government for permission to resign, before giving up their House seats, just because the Constitution specifies requirements for their admission.

You're an idiot - or maybe just the intellectual equivalent of the 'Crotch Bomber,' as I've noted before...

;>)

448 posted on 02/09/2010 3:59:50 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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