The difference between now and back when Perot ran is that the Tea Party is the popular party and the republican party is much less influential. So if you're suggesting that the republicans and the tea partiers should vote for the same candidates then it's the republicans that need to get in line with the tea party since they're the minority.
Being "organized" and structured and having leaders and being able to get masses of your people to all move in one direction at one time for one type of thing -- that's what is going to win elections....
Being chaotic and disorganized and not cohesive, but just dissatisfied and angry and "not going to take it anymore" will not win elections to move a large group of people in a particular direction that they want to go in and succesfully carry them along like that for an extended period of time.
No matter what it takes -- if conservatives want to win elections and have control over this country -- then they are going to have to be cohensive, organized, have leaders that can carry a large group of people through on political goals and keep control of the mechanisms of government and do it long-term.
Until it comes together like that with solid infrastructure and can hold together and get political goals carried out over the long term and control the different facets of the government (from whatever organization this turns out to be) -- whether it's local, state or national -- it's going nowhere... and only the Democrats will benefit.
We'll see how it pans out, in terms of actual political accomplishments and in terms of the control of the infrastructure of out government in this country. That remains to be seen...
Agreed.
Being chaotic and disorganized and not cohesive, but just dissatisfied and angry and "not going to take it anymore" will not win elections to move a large group of people in a particular direction that they want to go in and succesfully carry them along like that for an extended period of time.
But being organized, unmotivated and unpopular isn't going to take it either.
No matter what it takes -- if conservatives want to win elections and have control over this country -- then they are going to have to be cohensive, organized, have leaders that can carry a large group of people through on political goals and keep control of the mechanisms of government and do it long-term.
Again, I fully agree with you.
Until it comes together like that with solid infrastructure and can hold together and get political goals carried out over the long term and control the different facets of the government (from whatever organization this turns out to be) -- whether it's local, state or national -- it's going nowhere... and only the Democrats will benefit.
So far passion and people showing up to challenge politicians and showing up to vote has taken NJ, VA and MA, but I'm not advocating for disorganization...just pointing out that things can happen as they currently are, and they should only get better with time.
We'll see how it pans out, in terms of actual political accomplishments and in terms of the control of the infrastructure of out government in this country. That remains to be seen...
Absolutely. It looks like we really are in agreement for the most part. The thought behind my previous post was just that the republicans can't just say shut up and line up behind us because we're the recognized party and if you run off on your own the dems win. Well, most of the same comments can be said about the republicans...and they can't win without the tea party folks.
As I see it, one of the primary targets of the tea party movement is big and ever expanding government and it's attendant programs. The majority of them are of democrat creation...but not all. There are big government types in the republican party as well...and if the republicans choose to keep running that sort they're going to find very tepid support for the tea party folks. In such cases the republican party can try to say vote for our guys anyway or the dems win...well, big government republicans aren't much better than big government democrats. I'm fed up with voting for the lesser of two evils...and if the republicans decide to run one of those "evils" then they can count me out...let the dems have the seat then...and it's the republican party's fault in each and every place that occurs.
Funny, it worked for the American Revolutionaries. The "Tea Party" is just about at the "committees of correspondence" stage. Give it time.