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To: PieterCasparzen

Your response is full of false assumptions and straw men. I understand your paranoia about government. I am a conservative also. But I do not accept your beliefs about the protection of children. If anything, the government is too hands off and often late to save dead children from their parents.


22 posted on 02/03/2010 2:22:30 PM PST by votemout
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To: votemout

What is so hard to understand about...

CHILDREN DO NOT BELONG TO THE STATE.


23 posted on 02/03/2010 2:35:34 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: votemout

Straw men ? Paranoia ?

Sorry, government intervention in families is not a Conservative viewpoint.

I just did a quick web search for this to illustrate my point (I hope you’ll take a look yourself):

government intervening in families

and found 760,000 results.

here’s a link that was found:

http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/bin/excessive_government_intervention.htm

I know nothing of the site, I just perused it for 20 seconds and saw that had some relevant information.

I think every Conservative could agree that parental rights versus government intrusion in families is a primary issue for us, and when in doubt, we favor keeping government out. Libertarians are with us on that, as well, so an overwhelming majority of Americans feel this way.

But when confronted with a news story like this one, it’s easy to chant “law and order” and let’s get those bad parents who hurt their kids. But how did America arrive in it’s present moral mess: for the past 100 years we have seen more and more authority taken away from parents. And it only leads to more out-of-control kids who of course get away with as much as they can.

The past hundred years or so of “improvements” have resulted in the moral bankruptcy we see today. I hope you read up a little so you can begin to think about the direction the left-wing is taking us and why.

“I’m from the government, and I’m here to help?” - is that our solution ? I thought Conservatives had pretty much agreed that more government was NOT the solution.

According to census.gov there were 56 million students in K-12 schools in 2007, 11% of which went to PRIVATE schools.

1.5 million were HOMESCHOOLED, compared to 850,000 in 1999, according to homeschoolers. And public school proponents absolutely hate homeschooling, because the quality of education blows away public.

Ask some of those non-public school parents why they don’t have their kids in the public school. Why would make that effort ?

I had read a few years ago about the number of false accusations levied against parents; what must that be like ? Police taking mommy and / or daddy away - falsely accused by a willful child. Want problems ? Just get the government involved with your family. Please do some web searching on this. I’ve heard of many families being very very seriously hurt, broken up, etc., by various government agencies, never have I ever heard a happy ending. Never. And those who were in a truly bad situation - are they really helped by government agencies ? If you dig into those stories of what the courts, etc., actually accomplished in the children’s lives and how their adult lives went - that’s the dirty little secret no government agency wants you to know. They simply take messed up kids and make messed up adults, which we don’t need to pay billions in taxes for, we could have just left them alone.

I’m sure you’ll find that Conservatives overwhelmingly support family authority and family responsibility staying within the family and a growing number of people who are abandoning the obsolete ideas of government control over their children.

History is littered with governments that forcibly took children from parents and forced medical procedures on their own citizens. Hey, even current events is littered with that, right ?

Let’s think before we get our pitchforks and go over to those weird neighbors and go save their kids.


25 posted on 02/03/2010 4:11:21 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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