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1 posted on 01/31/2010 1:02:09 PM PST by smoothsailing
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We can pretty much agree...if it goes to a civilian court...and it ends around late October...with KSM freed in any fashion, for any reason...then the election for the Democrats is a disaster. Every single candidate running...even if they were slated to win...will lose five points off his November tally.

If you examine this as a process...there was very little thinking put into this and the potential outcome...was never considered.


2 posted on 01/31/2010 1:14:09 PM PST by pepsionice
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They just tossed out all the military charges a couple of days ago.

File for Dropping of Military Charges
4 posted on 01/31/2010 1:30:35 PM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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1. Attorney General Holder, not President Obama, will take the fall.

Taking the fall is part of Holder's (and any other advisors) job. The President has surrounded himself with disposable people so as to insulate himself from criticism.

It's no skin off the president's nose if Holder goes down the crapper because of this.

2. The Martha Stewart Factor.

The media will run cover for Obama in this case, diligently reminding everyone that it all happened under Bush.

The radical left wing wants Bush and Cheney in World Court for this. That is their bottom line goal. KSM will give them all kinds of talking points.

3. KSM is more likely to be convicted and sentenced to death in a military commission.

A guilty verdict is not the point. The left wants to tar and feather conservatives. If the court finds him innocent, the left will try to bury the right. Their lap dogs in the MSM will help them.

Justice isn't the reason why we're trying this guy in civilian court and it never has been.

4. Guantanamo Bay is not closing any time soon.

The narrative has changed. Guantanamo and KSM are now being looked at (on least on the lefty side of the argument) as two different issues.

5. “Not In My Backyard.”

Really can't argue with this one. That said: New Yorkers have been demanding (via their votes in elections) for civilian trials for these guys. THEY SHOULD NOW GET THEM. I'm a big supporter of stupid people getting what they want.

6. Congress will give the administration cover.

The administration doesn't care about the Congress and what it wants. If they did, they would be pushing a more moderate agenda instead of leading them to election disaster.

Obama is a narcassist who actually thinks if it's good for him personally, it's good for everyone. He wants to force healthcare on us even though it doesn't have a majority poll anywhere. He's not going to change course on these trials either. If anything, opposition will only harden his resolve.

7. Trying some terrorists detained at Guantanamo in military commissions and others in civilian trials never made any sense.

No it doesn't. But you're not dealing with rational people - they're libs. Most of what they do makes no sense. In the lib mind, conservatives are worse than terrorists - that's why they come after us harder and with more venom than people who actually want to kill us all.

8. Trying KSM in a military commission will kill the story before the midterm elections.

Obama doesn't give two $h!t$ about the midterm elections because he's not running. If he did care, he'd put Healthcare and cap and trade on hold. If he did, he would extend the Bush tax cuts to just past the election.
5 posted on 01/31/2010 1:40:59 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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BTTT

Read later.


8 posted on 01/31/2010 1:46:58 PM PST by La Enchiladita ( This must be what it feels like to live in a monarchy when some little kid becomes king ...)
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Very interesting analysis from a pair of extremely good sources.

I have to wonder when and how hard Holder will take the fall for all of this, and I believe too that he will go down over this. The twist is that Holder is really a Clinton protege’ and I have to wonder what the long term damage to Premier Hussein will be when Holder goes under the bus.

He already has enough trouble from the Hillary Clinton Brigade who simply cannot stand him, and if he riles the Arkansas Mafia by taking a giant dump on Holder, things could get particularly ugly.

Question: How long after Holder is forced to resign as AG will the Hildebeest turn in her resignation as SecState, (to be immediately followed by the formation of her Presidential exploration committee for 2012)??


10 posted on 01/31/2010 2:12:59 PM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts...)
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I have a simple request for some curious journalist out there. (Are there any of those left)? Please ask the following questions:

How much has the U.S. spent making Guantanamo into a Muslim friendly resort? Millions, billions?

How much will it cost to hire civilian lawyers, guards, judges, etc. if the trials are held in a civilian location? Contrast that to how much will it cost in military salaries (which we would be paying anyway) to provide the same personnel at Gitmo?

How much is it costing to buy the Illinois prison and to turn it into a Muslim resort? Betcha those guys never saw anything that nice in Afghanistan and Pakistan! Another example, compare the cost of providing prison guards in Illinois to the cost of using military guards at Gitmo. Be sure to include union benefits and legacy costs

If the American public could see a cost comparison on housing combatants at the existing facility and moving them to Illinois/New York, there would be a huge outcry to leave them at Gitmo and use the facilities and resources that we already have. But, then agan, not moving it would mean the people in Obama's home state wouldn't have their pricey prison and 3000 new jobs!

12 posted on 01/31/2010 2:19:18 PM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT (Hey General, you can call me "ma'am" !)
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That entire article can be summed up in three little words:

BUSH WAS RIGHT!

18 posted on 01/31/2010 3:05:18 PM PST by Wolfstar (Note to rigid ideologues: Your own point of view in a mirror is quite a limited window on the world.)
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To: smoothsailing

The President made the decision by not making the decision. Not to decide is to decide.


20 posted on 01/31/2010 4:20:45 PM PST by HonestConservative (http://www.handsoffliberty.com)
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If Obama flip flops on trying KSM with a military tribunal at Gitmo he will look very foolish, he will be castigated by the left wing of his party and the world will further wonder why we elected him.


22 posted on 01/31/2010 8:51:45 PM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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BTTT... this is absolutely the best post of the week... I read every word and am bookmarking, cross-referencing, etc.!!


24 posted on 02/02/2010 3:06:38 PM PST by La Enchiladita ( This must be what it feels like to live in a monarchy when some little kid becomes king ...)
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