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Toyota Shows How Giants Stumble
US News via Yahoo ^ | January 29, 2010, 2:18 pm EST | Rick Newman

Posted on 01/30/2010 12:01:36 PM PST by Chi-townChief

At General Motors, they used to call their surging competitor "Mr. T," as if intimidated by a muscular rival who seemed able to seize market share at will. But Toyota suddenly looks pretty meek, thanks to a mystifying safety problem that has led to a huge recall, an unprecedented production shutdown, and an ugly dent in a once sterling reputation.

This corporate nightmare has mushroomed since last fall, when Toyota recalled about 4 million vehicles because of floor mats with a propensity to slip down into the driver's side foot well, potentially interfering with the pedals and causing sudden acceleration. Now Toyota has recalled an additional 2.3 million vehicles for a problem that sounds similar, but the company says it's different: faulty gas pedals that can stick if they become worn, causing--once again--sudden acceleration.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automakers; foreigncrap; japan; recall; sinkingsun; toyota
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Only a matter of time ...
1 posted on 01/30/2010 12:01:37 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

The sticky foot peddles is not the story I am hearing. The cause of the acceleration problem is the fly-by-wire electronic system that controls the injecter system. There is some engeneering problem with that system that they cannot talk about because of legal mumbo jumbo.


2 posted on 01/30/2010 12:10:47 PM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fascism.)
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To: Chi-townChief

It more a matter of size than time.

If you have more than 200,000 employees at a company, the average intelligence of your employees is probably only slightly above the average intelligence of the total population.


3 posted on 01/30/2010 12:11:13 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: Chi-townChief
GM's response ?
Put the petal to the metal in exploiting the competition's mistake.
4 posted on 01/30/2010 12:20:16 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Chi-townChief

Folks that are counting Toyota out are making a massive miscalculation. Toyota will bounce back and be cooking at full speed in just a few months at best. GM and Chrysler is whom you sould be worrying about. Why? Their incompetent managements, their corrupt union (UAW), POTUS “The Moron” Obama (never managed anything in his entire life) and, the death seeking hand of the United States government. Go Ford (USA), go Toyota, go Volkswagon, go Honda, go Nissan, These stalwarts are not going anywhere, but are remaining in the auto business leading the industry.


5 posted on 01/30/2010 12:22:36 PM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: American Constitutionalist

Now you know why GM is on its way to failure and collapse!!! Only some stupid management and union goons, coupled with a dose failed Obama input could come up with this crass option. GM should be ashamed. Sorry, they are just like Obama and....he has no shame or remorse whasoever!!!


6 posted on 01/30/2010 12:25:41 PM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: American Constitutionalist
Yeah, and I hear Honda is voluntarily recalling over 600k vehicles for some other reason.

Since GM now stands for Government Motors ya gotta wonder.

7 posted on 01/30/2010 12:28:20 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Chi-townChief

Wonder if this applies to cars as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgTLx93vyrU


8 posted on 01/30/2010 12:34:16 PM PST by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: Chi-townChief

Sorry, the whole acceleration thing is a bunch of bull-Obama.

Every car on the market has brakes capable of winning against the engines. Even Obamamobiles.

Those Toyotas may have had some throttle control problems, but all could be stopped by - wait for it - putting on the brake.

Remember the Audi “problem” and the herdlike CBS and associated engineering morons trying to make something of it.

Nope, I don’t own Toyotas, but will stand behind the claim that Toyotas are far, far ahead of any ObamaGMysler junkpile that’s out there.


9 posted on 01/30/2010 12:42:47 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Chi-townChief

I don’t believe the accelerator pedal story. If it were true then we’d be seeing pictures of that assembly with an explanation of how it could stick.

Seems likely that Toyota doesn’t know what the problem is, or even if there actually is a problem. A former Toyota employee called Rush and said he though the recall was purely to take some kind of action that would head off more severe measures the government might take.


10 posted on 01/30/2010 12:51:39 PM PST by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: jonrick46

I heard the same thing this morning on an automotive radio call in show on WCBM 680 out of Baltimore. Expect more fly-by-wire problems, he said Ford made one suspected part in Dearborn and sold it to Toyota. This story isn’t over.

Dave Serio has his own shop a two hour show with two more on the internet. He’s pretty good.


11 posted on 01/30/2010 12:51:54 PM PST by Eagles2003
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To: Da Coyote
Those Toyotas may have had some throttle control problems, but all could be stopped by - wait for it - putting on the brake.

Or better yet, turning off the ignition while applying the brakes.

That said, either takes time, and depending on the situation, you might not have enough before you hit something, or otherwise get out of control.

12 posted on 01/30/2010 12:53:02 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Chi-townChief
When I heard of the Toyota problem and the one at Honda, I wondered if any of the parts or assemblies involved were subcontracted out to suppliers under contract to the UAW.

With the UAW having such a huge stake in GM and Chrysler, they would surely attempt to sabotage their competition in any way possible.

13 posted on 01/30/2010 12:53:55 PM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Barky...because he's barking mad!!!)
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To: Chi-townChief

“It’s only a matter of time...”

For 60 Minutes to do an un-intended acceleration story on Toyota this time like they did to Audi many years ago?


14 posted on 01/30/2010 12:57:16 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

More like you should be worrying about the Chinese automakers.


15 posted on 01/30/2010 1:01:49 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Actually, the company I work for is a tier-2 supplier of these Jap automakers so we’re hoping for them to resolve their mess quickly.


16 posted on 01/30/2010 1:04:06 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

the problem is electronic (keyless) keys.
.............................
I useta work at a rent-a-car place.
everybody hated electronic keys


17 posted on 01/30/2010 1:06:17 PM PST by element92
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To: Da Coyote
Sorry, the whole acceleration thing is a bunch of bull-Obama. Nope, I don’t own Toyotas, but will stand behind the claim that Toyotas are far, far ahead of any ObamaGMysler junkpile that’s out there.

When not kowtowing to the Japanese do you felate Mr Toyoda?

Be an Amercian and get off your knees.

18 posted on 01/30/2010 1:07:04 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: element92
I disabled my keyless system when it started acting crazy.

I'm actually able to stick the key in the slot and turn, what a concept.

19 posted on 01/30/2010 1:19:20 PM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Chi-townChief

Why can’t Toyota sell me a “defective” car at a discount if i am willing to assume any “risk”. I’ll sign a waiver. NP. Those cars on the lots now with “defective” peddles are the LAST priority to get “fixed”.


20 posted on 01/30/2010 1:28:06 PM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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