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To: SZonian
Have you ever tried to get your car fixed in the driveway in freezing weather so you can get to work?

Yes I have, having lived in Wisconsin and Minnesota, many of us jumped out to work on our vehicles when it warmed up to 10 or 15 above zero. It would have been nice to have the radiant floor heating that I saw in the air force hangers that I passed through on the way to doing army things.

Do you think that on those occasions when a few Air Force personnel have to work in the cold, that the army has all moved indoors? Every branch has it's mechanics and personnel that have to work in the same exact weather, but a couple of branches have personnel that live, sleep, and fight on the ground, in those same conditions.

Do you really think that generally, conditions for air force mechanics are worse, or even as bad as it is for the army and marine mechanics in the same theater, and do you think that it is as rough as it is for the men actually living out there in the wilds, in pup tents, or just sleeping bags?

Do many air force personnel have to strip naked to quickly swim a body of partly iced, moving water, at night, in those conditions, trying to keep their gear dry because they have to live in it for the following week with no resupply or assistance?

46 posted on 01/26/2010 1:48:06 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: ansel12

Last time I checked, it is an ALL-VOLUNTEER force. There are other choices for folks to make. Not so before that.

I never claimed anything different than what you now claim. I only put things into perspective for those who may not know otherwise about some of the elements USAF folks work in.

There are many jobs in all of the services that don’t require folks to strip naked to keep their gear dry. FAC’s from the USAF are right beside your fellow infantrymen just to name one though in the interest of disclosure.

We can sit here all day trying to build strawmen. I had no intention of denigrating or minimizing any individual’s service in replying to your post. They all deserve respect because they are wearing the uniform.

The flightlines don’t have radiant heating btw. We were lucky if we could get approval for a heater so we could function in below freezing weather.

I dragged my knuckles on USAF and Navy flightlines for close to 20 years before I got promoted off the line and ended up as a REMF (QA) for my last 2.5 years of AD.

SZ


52 posted on 01/26/2010 2:08:23 PM PST by SZonian (I see people everywhere who claim they are victims of "hatred".)
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To: ansel12

I spent two years in the Army in between two four year stints in the USAF. It took three MOS Army NCO’s to do the job of one USAF NCO of the comparable AFSC. I was used as a triple MOS the two years in the Army waiting to get back into the USAF. There are more than enough cases of USAF men fighting with and along side Marines and Army and many cases of USAF men giving their lives to rescue Marines or members of the Army. Any disparaging remarks about the willingness of USAF to endure or fight are made out of extreme ignorance. I worked with Navy, Army, and Marines and all had respect for me as I did for them. Every branch of the service has the cream puff specialties and the rough ones. God Bless America.


59 posted on 01/26/2010 2:28:25 PM PST by vetvetdoug (FUBO, a fashion statement for conservatives.)
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