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The New Mortgage Revolution: Walk Away
aol.com ^ | January 25, 2010 | Alyssa Katz

Posted on 01/26/2010 8:16:22 AM PST by TheThinker

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To: HerrBlucher
LOL! I remember shoplifting as a teenager and when a moral pang arose me and my friends would say “were sticking it to the MAN.” There is always an excuse for immorality, and we are really seeing them fly on this thread...

I'm reading this thread, thinking, "These are conservatives?"

141 posted on 01/26/2010 8:11:53 PM PST by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: CSM

“... I am 100% against anyone, who can afford the payment, to walk away from their mortgage.”

Agreed. If one promises to pay, one should pay.

Sorry about the pooch. We are very attached to the boxer-great dane who with two more IQ points would engage in conversation, and the buck-fifty mastif who is now a retired country gentleman (and noisy protector).


142 posted on 01/26/2010 10:21:23 PM PST by petro45acp (Free Republic, the only thing working on this sorry Bagram interweb thingy! Thanks Free Republic!)
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To: Paperdoll
IT MAY BE MORAL? I DON’T THINK SO, NOT EVEN IN THE YEAR OF JUBILEE. THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE THAT EVEN WITH A SHORT SALE THE BORROWER WILL REMAIN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DIFFERENCE. ALL WE NEED FOR A COMPLETE COLLAPSE IS FOR PEOPLE TO WALK AWAY FROM THEIR MORTGAGES. THAT IS PROBABLY THE REASON FOR POSTING THIS THREAD!

You're right. I just want our race-pimping, freedom-killing, sadistic Marxist Mafia overlords to gain more control by weakening Americas so they can control even more of the globe. /s

143 posted on 01/26/2010 11:46:18 PM PST by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: C19fan
but the question is will the bank even bother trying to go after you considering the legal and other costs

Bingo, particularly considering the sheer number of defaults.

144 posted on 01/26/2010 11:48:22 PM PST by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“What a SURPRISE that the LibTards would run with this, LOL!”

They want everything free because “the man” holds them down. They don’t even realize that they are “the man.”


145 posted on 01/27/2010 5:30:39 AM PST by CSM (The only reason a conservative should reach across the aisle is to slap a little sense into a lib!)
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To: petro45acp

Those darnded furry critters sure find a home in our hearts. It is joyous to experience such sadness....


146 posted on 01/27/2010 5:33:07 AM PST by CSM (The only reason a conservative should reach across the aisle is to slap a little sense into a lib!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“I am going to get flamed, but I would tend to agree with this. We need a MAJOR correction in real estate prices NOW. We may have to start from ground zero. The present prices can NOT be sustained and very few seem to be appropriately negotiable.”

Or as Rahm said; never let a crisis go to waste? In case you are not aware; a major correction has already happened in some markets.

We need to get the Marxists, socialists, and left wing activists out of the discussion.

How do these idiots think they will get financing to buy these lower priced homes, if all the scum are allowed to default on the loans they signed up for.

I just get so sick of people wanting to blame their poor decision making on someone else.


147 posted on 01/27/2010 5:38:00 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: gathersnomoss

They all get the same paydown.

If it pays off the house then it pays off the house.

better the money have gone to pay down mortgages than to DC insiders.


148 posted on 01/27/2010 5:43:30 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Texan Tory

non-recourse loans mean you only can get the asset.

The problems arrose when the valuations became artificially inflated.

what needs to happen is home prices need to return to reality but that will only happen when the shadow inventory of the banks is released to naturally go to fair market.


149 posted on 01/27/2010 5:46:53 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
I just get so sick of people wanting to blame their poor decision making on someone else.

Well, the Democrats have done it for yeas while I've worked as slave labor with little or no return. Works for them....

150 posted on 01/27/2010 5:48:44 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: sodpoodle

they live in the same house.

the banks have too many forclosures and there is a massive shadow UNREPORTED inventory.

forclosures are UP but forclosure SALES are at a standstill because banks do not want to do the credit bit to take posession of yet another property.


151 posted on 01/27/2010 5:51:24 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: TheThinker

Careful, this has the makings of how Big government is going to try to pay off the debt. Just get everybody to walk away from their obligations, seize the material assets, then liquidate to other promises.

(At some point in time, a promise won’t have any more value.)


152 posted on 01/27/2010 5:52:02 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: VegasCowboy

My understanding is that some bank are no longer required to do that. It would be impossible for you to prove differently.


153 posted on 01/27/2010 8:38:21 AM PST by unique
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To: YankeeReb
>His home value now goes down more than it would have. He's still paying though but you just wiped out a good part of his net worth. Good plan.<

If this behavior catches on nationwide, whole swatches of the US will mirror Detroit in the near future.


154 posted on 01/27/2010 8:58:04 AM PST by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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To: unique

LOL! It’s impossible for you to prove your assertion as well.

Are you familiar with the Allowance for Loan Losses that all banks must carry on their books? Whether they write individual loans down or not, they must still recognize expense on mortgage pools in this account. The Allowance is not only reviewed by regulators, but also external CPA auditors. You’ll be hard pressed to find either auditors or examiners going soft on banks right now. In fact, in many ways they are going very far in the other direction.


155 posted on 01/27/2010 9:44:59 AM PST by VegasCowboy ("...he wore his gun outside his pants, for all the honest world to feel.")
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To: VegasCowboy

Actually, I’m a life long banker - CFO so I know what goes on and what’s going on in the banking world.

Banks are not generally writing down 90 day past due RE loans to market as they have done in the past, period. If they did, lots more would go under - it’s a house of cards.

The Allowance for Loan and Lease Losses is only charged when a write down takes place. Auditors and examiners, especially examiners work in a very political environment - politics enters into the ALLL equation a lot more than it should. Outside Auditor are paid by banks, they are a huge joke - just look at Enron, etc.

Also, mortgage pools - held as securities are not written down to the ALLL - when they are adjusted to market - it’s a direct hit to capital and doesn’t go through the ALLL - because, they are not loans or leases.

This is your banking lesson for today.


156 posted on 01/27/2010 10:05:07 AM PST by unique
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