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To: nmh
They can physically stitch you up or do transplants but did you ever wonder WHY some are more successful than others or WHY things don't work out for some?

Because not everyone is in the same state of health, and because there remains more medical discoveries, science, and technique to be discovered.

Do you really DENY that God is in control of any outcome? Really?

Since you can't prove a negative, I deny no such thing. As the the person making the assertion, it is up to you to provide evidence supporting it.

A trained monkey can stitch someone up

Really? You'd have no objection to a rhesus monkey performing surgery on you?

Prescribing antibiotics is not the sign of a mental genius.

When did I say that it was? You said "All ANY dcotor can offer is their OPINION." (which reminds me, you're still yelling, a violation of basic netiquette). My pointing out that doctors can prescribe antibiotics does not invalidate my point.

Transplanting organs is NOT always successful and REJECTION is a major concern of doctors.

Did I say it wasn't? This hardly invalidates medical science.

ADULT stem cell research has had more success with many medical diseases than all the glorious OPINIONS that you hold do highly.

Please. Stop. Yelling.

Stem cell research, adult or otherwise, is a subset of medical science. That's what I'm supporting. You're undermining your own argument.

Ah but not all gods are equal ... so you give yourself away again.

Give myself away? What am I trying to hide?

Those who make real progress in the medical field have been humble Christians and the same is true of those that made breakthroughs in Science.

Absolutely, look at Christians like Albert Einstein, Alan Turing, and Richard Feinman!

Er, waitaminute...

It is a shame that all you library books have left out that nasty little fact. You see, those that seek true knowledge don't have to depend on pragmatism, or the EVOLVING of “truth”. You don't need to be uppity over how you would like to view your secular world.

You're accusing me of being uppity?

I have M.S. and take NO medicine as well as Graves’ disease. Dad is a diabetic and takes no medicine. He controls it with diet. I'd have no problem if he took medication.

My, that's big of you.

I am not “biased” to chemical drugs. I am not “biased” against God as you are. Diabetics is not exactly rocket science and is often treatable without drugs.

And sometimes it's not, belief in God(s) notwithstanding. I freely admit to being biased against faith healers, shamans, and other witch doctors.

So your praising of fallible mortals doesn't impress me. The Ultimate One, God, is the ONLY ONE that heals and decides when your time is up or if you are to be “healed” or not.

God is the only one who decides whether or not you're healed, doctors don't have anything to do with it?

I see you have no comment on those that have say, cancer. Some survive and some don't. You could have identical patients with the same type and stage of cancer.

Cancer is an incredibly complex disease, and we still don't have the technology to reliably defeat it. Consider it "commented".

God may take both, allow one to live or allow both to live. It is at His disgression not that of a secular doctor that only offers chemicals as his ultimate opinion that may or may not work.

So when someone dies of cancer it's because God chose not to allow them live?

I find your worldview baffling.

So you can argue all you like that God doesn't exist

I have made no such argument. I simply don't believe that God exists...not the same thing.

or doesn't know more than fallible mortals.

I certainly haven't argued that. How can I argue about the characteristics of a being in which I have no belief?

It is separate from me. I KNOW better. I've seen His miracles in action when secular doctors give up on patients and God pulls them through and they don't understand WHY the person lived.

You are free to ascribe anything you wish to the supernatural. I choose to do otherwise.

26 posted on 01/23/2010 12:39:46 PM PST by GL of Sector 2814
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To: GL of Sector 2814
“Because not everyone is in the same state of health, and because there remains more medical discoveries, science, and technique to be discovered.”

Ah, so you admit mere fallible mortals don't know all with their finite knowledge and opinions.

Do you really DENY that God is in control of any outcome? Really?

“Since you can't prove a negative, I deny no such thing. As the the person making the assertion, it is up to you to provide evidence supporting it.”

Many miracles happen all the time due to prayer. Studies have been done that those prayed for do better and still you deny all of it. He could tap you on the shoulder and you'd still deny Him.

A trained monkey can stitch someone up

“Really? You'd have no objection to a rhesus monkey performing surgery on you?”

Considering some of the doctors we have as fallible humans, I don't see where a monkey couldn't do as good of a job. In fact, when it comes to behavior animals appear to be more compassionate than many human beings to their fellow animals.

Prescribing antibiotics is not the sign of a mental genius.

When did I say that it was? You said “All ANY doctor can offer is their OPINION.” (which reminds me, you're still yelling, a violation of basic netiquette). My pointing out that doctors can prescribe antibiotics does not invalidate my point.

You try to imply that prescribing antibiotics is a sign of brilliance. It isn't and meither am I "yelling". As for etiquette, you might want to check the rules for your snotty replies. Heck, I find it amusing but you don't need to be a hypocrite in touting rules when you don't keep the rules yourself..

BTW, I am NOT yelling. Using upper case is MY style. If yelling could get through to you, I probably would, however I am NOT doing that in my replies.

Transplanting organs is NOT always successful and REJECTION is a major concern of doctors.

“Did I say it wasn't? This hardly invalidates medical science.”

You imply brilliance again and still can't give a rational reason as to WHY it works with some and NOT all the time with identical situations. God allows some to live and takes others, regardless of how brilliant YOU believe they are.

ADULT stem cell research has had more success with many medical diseases than all the glorious OPINIONS that you hold do highly.

“Please. Stop. Yelling.”

Again, I am NOT yelling. It appears you have little to stand on so little things, such as using upper case intimidate you. You already know I am NOT yelling so stay focused. I give you no o pity points for lame complaints or hypocrisy.

“Stem cell research, adult or otherwise, is a subset of medical science. That's what I'm supporting. You're undermining your own argument.”

No, I am not. I am indicating since you may not know ... that embryonic stem cell research hasn't worked and never will. My God doesn't approve of killing little human beings for self gain in this way. It is by using ADULT stem cell research that progress has been made. BTW your "logic" needs work too!

Ah but not all gods are equal ... so you give yourself away again.

“Give myself away? What am I trying to hide?”

Your ignorance is something you are pleased with.

Those who make real progress in the medical field have been humble Christians and the same is true of those that made breakthroughs in Science.

Absolutely, look at Christians like Albert Einstein, Alan Turing, and Richard Feinman!

LOL! Albert Einstein was a practicing Jew and believed in God. He was an impressive man. YOU do know that Christ was Jew?

The only reason Alan Turing is noticed as a foot note in history is because he is a homosexual. Are you also an expert in “gay” studies. Truly Alan Turing is not the caliber of people I refer to as making a major contribution to society. Perhaps to “gay” people he is important but to normal people he isn't worth mentioning. I take it you've never heard of Isaac Newton? That is the caliber I am thinking of.

Richard Feinman is another idiot. He's so egotistical, that he's trying to redefine science concepts to give his metabolism nonsense credibility. LOL!! For example, he's busy trying to redefine why a calorie is not a calorie. Apparently stored and potential energy don't’ fit well into his godless,leftist world.

“Er, waitaminute...”

It is a shame that all you library books have left out that nasty little fact. You see, those that seek true knowledge don't have to depend on pragmatism, or the EVOLVING of “truth”. You don't need to be uppity over how you would like to view your secular world.

“You're accusing me of being uppity?”

I hate to break the bad news to you but you certainly try to be “uppity” and as to why befuddles me. I find it amusing.

I have M.S. and take NO medicine as well as Graves’ disease. Dad is a diabetic and takes no medicine. He controls it with diet. I'd have no problem if he took medication.

“My, that's big of you.”

Ah, are we trying to sneak in a low personal attack? I have found that to be very typical of people like you. Don't worry about it, I judge the sources. Some people would upset me with your lack of compassion but YOU, don't bother me at all. Don't fret or even apologize. From people like you, I expect it. Your huge ego and unrestrained emotions are what fuel your replies. In this situation you despise me, because I have a God that is superior to all mere fallible mortals and KNOW He is real. I don't know why people like you, hate people like me so much. You could have Him as the focal point of your life too but instead you chose to hate Him and others that follow Him. Oh well!

...

You are free to ascribe anything you wish to the supernatural. I choose to do otherwise.

I have to say, you are a stubborn one.

So be it!

43 posted on 01/24/2010 7:51:56 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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