Posted on 01/20/2010 9:50:36 AM PST by EternalVigilance
Wednesday, January 20, 2010
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When I see Scott Brown I immediately see Mitt Romney, Olympia Snowe, Sue Collins, Arlen Spector [v.’08], William Weld, Rudy Giuliani and a host of other Rockefeller Republicans who helped to aid the spread of liberalism and socialism in my lifetime.
No thanks.
Islamists are anti abortion/pro-life as well.
Any singularity in reasoning inevitably leads to a conundrum. I will not sacrifice my country in order to be a ‘purist’ in the voting process
“If you’re going to try & read my mind, please do a better job.”
What? I just commented on what you said. No mind-reading required for that.
“You won’t get gun control by disarming law-abiding citizens. There’s only one way to get real gun control: disarm the thugs and the criminals, lock them up, and if you don’t actually throw away the key, at least lose it for a long time... It’s a nasty truth, but those who seek to inflict harm are not fazed by gun controllers. I happen to know this from personal experience.”
Ronald Reagan, 1983
“How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.”
Ronald Reagan, Arlington, Virginia, September 25, 1987
“[T]he Constitution does not say Government shall decree the right to keep and bear arms. The Constitution says `the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.`”
President Ronald Reagan
“President Reagan, the owner of an AR-15, was a strong and consistent supporter of the Second Amendment and the NRA. He was a long time member, joining NRA in December of 1972 and upgrading to Life Member in August of 1979. He actively courted the NRA`s endorsement in both of his presidential campaigns, and was the first presidential candidate in history to receive that endorsement.
“Reagan felt at home before the assembled membership, saying “I`ve always felt a special bond with members of your group. You live by Lincoln`s words, `Important principles may and must be inflexible.` Your philosophy puts trust in people. . . . Good organizations don`t just happen. They take root in a body of shared beliefs. They flow from strong leadership, with vision, initiative and determination to reach great goals.”
“President Reagan shared our pursuit of great goals through the 1980s—the rollback of the most onerous provisions of the Gun Control Act of 1968. And in 1986, President Reagan proudly signed the landmark Firearms Owners` Protection Act (FOPA) into law.
“Sadly, some gun-ban advocates have callously exploited Reagan`s passing to misrepresent his positions, staging scripted interviews with the most biased of national media outlets to insist that he supported their anti-gun agenda and even claiming that he never held an NRA membership. I can feel only sadness at these crass and desperate lies. They merit no response; the historical record is clear and amply documented.”
NRA Web site
“Melba King was a 22-year old nursing student, and was walking home one evening when she was approached by a mugger with a gun who demanded her money. Reagan, then working as a local radio sportscaster, espied the confrontation from his second-story rented room. Leaning out the window with a .45 caliber revolver, Reagan sternly directed the mugger to “leave her alone or I`ll shoot you right between the shoulders.” The mugger ran off, and Reagan calmed the woman, escorting her home safely.”
NRA Web site
“Islamists are anti abortion/pro-life as well.”
Yeah, and Hitler was a non-smoking vegetarian.
Does that mean all non-smoking vegetarians are Nazis?
not even relevant. The poster was claiming that a singular issue was the most important issue in determing a vote.
Pat Buchanan is certainly anti-abortion/pro-life as well
We are going to have to watch him and hold him to his word. These are the issues he ran and won on so I would think it would be in his best interest to keep to his guns on them.
Ronald Reagan lobbied members of the House of Representatives to support the 1994 federal Assault Weapons Ban. The ban passed by only two votes; at least two House members publicly credited Reagan’s direct appeals for their “aye” votes.
In the early 1990s, President Reagan lobbied Congress to pass the Brady Law, a major gun safety initiative vigorously opposed by the gun lobby.
During Reagan’s tenure as President, bans on cop-killer bullets, undetectable handguns, and the manufacture and sale of machine guns became law.
Reagan would have been absolutely vilified by some here. Indeed, Reagan said it best when he said:
“When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn’t like it. “Compromise” was a dirty word to them and they wouldn’t face the fact that we couldn’t get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don’t get it all, some said, don’t take anything. I’d learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: ‘I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.’ If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that’s what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.” Ronald Reagan, in his autobiography, An American Life
1) Islamists are not pro-life in the Christian sense at all. Indeed, part of the problem we have with them is precisely this disconnect over the sanctity of human life. Their most extreme practitioners deliberately engage in the practice of dehumanizing those they wish to kill, a practice that resonates precisely with treating an unborn child as a mere “fetus” or a “clump of cells.” I am a clump of cells, truth be told. But to the extreme Islamist, an infidel is not even human. The less-informed among them are taught from childhood that unbelievers are really shape-shifted pigs and monkeys. Literally. I kid you not. Therefore, you will please forgive me if I do not accept your premise.
2) There are no true singularities in reasoning, so I do not understand your statement. The sacredness of life is not a singularity, in that it requires an entire, preexisting system of thought to support it, notable ideas of which include the belief in a personal God who creates human life for divine purposes, imbues such life with special attributes of intellect and spirituality, for the purpose of engaging in a relationship with each other and with the Creator. Agree or disagree, the theological basis of the pro-life position is anything but a singularity. One may also attribute significant complexity to the non-theistic argument for the pro-life position, that somehow a better principle of survival emerges from treating society’s most defenseless members with dignity and respect. Thus, you even have atheists with whom we have common ground, who would assert that valuing human life as something special is absolutely vital to having a just system of laws. Where is this singularity of which you speak?
Ah, but perhaps you refer to the next level up, where I assert that a pro-life premise is necessary to a just legal system. Very well, it is true, I make the argument that without sanctity of life at the foundation, you can’t devise good law. Consider: Can I have a good car without wheels? But then have I made “wheels” a singularity, a single thing upon which another thing in it’s entirety depends? Not really. A car without wheels might serve well as a place to live. Or not. But if you want to actually use it to get somewhere, it had better have wheels.
Now consider the law. Answer me this: Why law? What is law supposed to do? Where is it supposed to take us? Does it exist just to support lawyers? To empower governments? No. The law has as its single focus the human person, protecting the rights and establishing the duties of persons toward each other. If the law fails to do that, it is like our car without wheels, suitable for some purposes but falling well short of its highest potential.
Therefore, if Scott Brown, or any other legislator, goes to build a system of law that does not protect the rights of some human persons to their own life, what can we expect from such legislators but abysmal failure in the effort to protect those other rights that flow directly from the right to live?
So I say to you, that if you really wanted to avoid sacrificing your country, you would protect what has made her so special these last two centuries, her openly declared recognition of the natural rights we all have to live, to be free, and to pursue happiness on our own terms. If we fail to protect our own babies from the acids and knives of the death merchants, what exactly is there left to save?
The constitution is NOT a suicide pact. Singular focus gets you nothing. You claim life is sacred and that is THE most important thing. Then may I presume that you oppose the death penalty??? Of course not because some folks who are pro-life aree also pro death penalty. You see the idea that a situation cannot occur which will violate some principle you hold dear is not factually correct. We do not occupy a utopia. I will suffer the indignation of having a hakf a meatball with my noodles rather than have nothing to eat at all.
“Ronald Reagan lobbied members of the House of Representatives to support the 1994 federal Assault Weapons Ban...In the early 1990s, President Reagan lobbied Congress to pass the Brady Law, a major gun safety initiative vigorously opposed by the gun lobby.”
I’m going to need some substantiation of that before I accept it as fact.
Anyway, why are you calling the Brady Bill a “gun safety initiative?” Its only effect was to make the streets and law-abiding citizens *less* safe.
“Therefore, if Scott Brown, or any other legislator, goes to build a system of law that does not protect the rights of some human persons to their own life, what can we expect from such legislators but abysmal failure in the effort to protect those other rights that flow directly from the right to live?...If we fail to protect our own babies from the acids and knives of the death merchants, what exactly is there left to save?”
Succinct. Bears repeating.
“not even relevant.”
Do you understand what the word “relevant” means?
“It is was actually Jack Ryan’s fault, not Keyes’ fault. Ryan stepped down when his divorce records were made public.”
Yes. Why is it that Barney Fag can run a boy brothel out of his basement and survive, but a pubby has to resign over a divorce?
“look at the Republican establishment that refuses to fully support conservative candidates.”
Fully? Did Keyes get *any* support from the GOP organization?
“Keyes absolutely crushed Obama in debates”
Obama looked like the moron he is. I would have felt sorry for him if he weren’t such a vile commie scoundrel.
Ever heard of Google? Try it, it’s pretty cool. There are dozens of links for this topic.
As far as the “gun safety initiative” is concerned, that’s the verbiage used by the Brady bill lobby at the time. Splitting hairs perhaps?
Keyes has a good command of the English language, and can be an eloquent speaker, but he is lousy at politics. All the other things you say are generally correct. The Dems have two standards, one for them, one for Pubbies, and the Pubbies let them get away with it.
I am not a Pubbie, btw, I am a Conservative. I will express myself loud and clear in the primaries, however, in a general election I will not stay home in a general election - I will vote for the most conservative, least left candidate. Boycotting elections, or voting for a can’t-win third party candidate will keep us in the fix we find ourselves today. The only solution to the problem if we do not handle it at the ballot box and by making ourselves heard, is then revolution - that takes it beyond the tea parties.
What you DON'T see is Senator Coakley standing behind Barack Obama at the signing ceremony for the health care bill.
Nope...but it will be worse when a Republican is standing behind Obama at the signing ceremony for a health care bill.
During the debates with Coakley, Brown said that he was looking forward to going to Washington to help them write a better health care bill. Yesterday, he said that he wants a health care bill, but that the current version was bad for Mass.
Brown has supported socialized medicine in Mass.
I will guarantee you that the descendants that carried out the Tea Party would find more in common with Keyes’ politics than Brown’s.
Yes, you are presumptuous. Like the left, you willfully conflate the punishment of the guilty with the murder of the innocents.
Capital punishment is pro-life.
How about the 100%ers give their O-bot proaganda postings a rest for a while?
A man who is 90% our ally is not a 10% traitor.
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