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To: LearsFool
*Colonialism of inferior cultures by superior ones, that is. Colonialism of superior cultures by inferior ones proceeds apace - part of the reparations the West must pay to make amends for our efforts to lead barbarians to a state of civilization.

I see your point and agree with it to an extent. But you should be mindful not to take it too far... Practically every Haitian would not be in Haiti if their ancestors had not been dragged there in chains by "the West." I wouldn't lionize those who held the chains.

62 posted on 01/19/2010 4:31:39 PM PST by ivyleaguebrat
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To: ivyleaguebrat
I wouldn't lionize those who held the chains.

That's a fair point. But to quote Muhammad Ali (upon seeing the conditions in which people lived in Zaire), "I'm sure glad my great-great-granddaddy got on that boat!"

I won't applaud the oppression of colonialism. But I will argue that, in the vast majority of cases, when a superior nation colonizes an inferior one, the inferior one, in the long run, benefits in many ways. (There's a reason, after all, why one culture triumphs and another suffers defeat.)

Yes, sovereignty is sacrificed, and often liberty as well. But this is no less than nations and individuals have done willingly, seeing it to be in their best interests. And sometimes the conquered have arisen later to become the conquerers - just as the student, having learned all he can from his master and progressed beyond him, then becomes the master.

And this is as it should be, isn't it? Haven't the British, who we at one time were but whom we superseded politically and defeated in war, looked to us many times for guidance intellectually and aid militarily? Didn't India, who chafed under British colonialism, still adopt Britain's political and judicial philosophies? Don't we value the technological and industrial innovations of the Japanese, whom we defeated in war and subjugated under our culture of democratic rule? - innovations that would not have arisen under their archaic emperor-worship and aristocratic code. And so on and on throughout history.

Even the American Indians, had they not been overthrown by the colonies and the United States, would have been subjugated by another power. Now they're protected, subsidized, and benefited by what American culture has produced.

And should the culture of the West - which has substituted the rule of law for the law of the jungle, and brought technological innovation, convenience, medicine, political stability, and wealth unimagined in the days of King Solomon - submit to be equated with the cultures of those which can't even remember how to dig a latrine, not only will those peoples not benefit, but we too will suffer as a result.

The advance of civilization is neither pretty nor painless. But the alternative - leaving whole peoples to their barbarian ways, and even worse, returning to those ways ourselves - is unthinkable.
64 posted on 01/19/2010 5:15:44 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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