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Did Communism Fake Its Own Death in 1991?
American Thinker ^ | January 16, 2010 | Jason McNew

Posted on 01/15/2010 10:36:18 PM PST by neverdem

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To: bruinbirdman

You got me. But I believe it`s true.


41 posted on 01/16/2010 12:40:08 AM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: neverdem
No, to understand what happened one needs to watch the youtubes of Yuri Bezmenov and the Soviet ideas of ideological subversion. They knew they could destroy our society using this technique. In short, one contaminated mind, contaminated the next and once these contaminated (with leftist ideas) minds took control of academia, civics, etc. it would be game over.

It has pretty much played out exactly as that.

42 posted on 01/16/2010 12:45:45 AM PST by riri (Resistance-It's the New Black)
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To: bruinbirdman

I would love to see the question about the ‘fall’ of Communism in 1991 asked of GHW Bush & BJ Clinton or anyone in their administrations. ‘Comrade J’ is a great book about KGB spying and their useful tools in NA:
‘From 1995 until 2000, a man known as “Comrade J” directed all Russian spy action in New York and oversaw all covert operations against the U.S. and its allies.....Sergei Tretyakov, Comrade J says, “In speaking out, I hope to expose how naive this is (thinking the USSR had changed). During the Cold War, in the Soviet military doctrine there was the definition of the MAIN ENEMY, which was also used by intelligence as a basic guiding principle. It was the United States, followed by NATO and China. What is the official guiding line for the modern SVR today? The terms have changed. It is now called the MAIN TARGET. But it is exactly the same: the United States, followed by NATO and China. Nothing has changed. Russia is doing everything it can today to embarrass the U.S. Let me repeat this. Russia is doing everything it can today to undermine and embarrass the U.S. The SVR rezidenturas in the U.S. are not less, but in some aspects EVEN MORE ACTIVE
today than during the Cold War. What should that tell you
continues to spy and undermine the U.S.”
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18476273


43 posted on 01/16/2010 12:55:26 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Smokin' Joe

If communism died then the Communist tyrants of the iron curtain should have been put on trial for their crimes just as the Nazis were after the Third Reich died. Communism is still alive,it just underwent a makeover.


44 posted on 01/16/2010 12:55:50 AM PST by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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45 posted on 01/16/2010 1:07:46 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Soviet Communism died. The desire by the control freak class to use government powers to dictate how others will live their lives “for their own good” did not. That lust for power exists and will exist as long as man exists.


46 posted on 01/16/2010 2:26:56 AM PST by Cheburashka (It's a _happy_ Russian novel. Everybody still dies, but everybody dies happy.)
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To: neverdem

I do not think the Soviets faked the death of the Soviet Union, or the political castration of the Communist Party in Russia and the Soviet Union.

On the other hand, their moles and fellow travelers and groveling “socialist” appeasers in western Europe and the U.S. suffered no such loss of assets, position, networking ability, ideological fervor, hatred of U.S. capitalism, desire to castrate U.S. global power and influence, willingness to lie about everything, and desire to work together for a Marxist end, in spite of the demise of the Soviet state.


47 posted on 01/16/2010 2:45:35 AM PST by Wuli
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To: neverdem

Well ........... then try this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2122714/posts

What kind of father only meets his own son once in 30 years, at an airport?

Even this simple fact seems to have been nearly non-reported.

and then ...

If you were raised for 8 years, from the age of 10 to 18, by a card carrying bi-sexual radical AA Communist from Chicago with a 601 page FBI file, what kind of Community Organizer would you be?

One who prefers “Marxist professors”, so that you wouldn’t be a “sell-out”???

Is it any wonder no college records have been released, or ever will be?

HIs first pol, to whom he was “chief of staff”, flew often to Moscow for the Communist Party Congress and came back praising the Soviet Union. He didn’t quit and he didn’t protest.

When he cheated her by getting her kicked off the re-election ballot (using legalistic tricks, just like he does now), SHE never protested, nor would accept any interviews.

Can you say “Party Discipline???

I mean, his mother met his “father’ while studying Russian for God’s sakes -— in 1959!!!

Have you never read in a history book that the Russians look for future agents in Russian Language classes? Of course! Where else to look?

Please read this, and tell everyone:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13267412/The-Kenyan-Candidate-Obama-SetUp-Known-in-Moscow-in-1991-the-First-Time-I-Heard-of-Barack

Then ask yourself, and everyone around you:

Why do the President’s two daughters both have Russian names???

Ever met any African-American who has two children, both with Russian names???

Ever met ANYONE who has two children, both with Russian names???

I haven’t.

Mmmm mmmmm mmmmmm.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/15127

While back in Hawaii by late June of 1980, we went back to Honolulu for liberty. I don’t remember the exact address, or the exact business, but one August night, early August 1980, I stopped at a small shop that was either on Kalakaua Blvd or the street just north of it, one block north. I struck up a conversation with a young man, Mulatto, about 18, all teeth, smiling, skinny, short hair that I remember, at least short for the year we lived in.
He told me he lived in Hawaii. Not too many black Americans lived in Hawaii at all, now or then, so he being there was an oddity. I asked if he was in the service and he said no. I told him that I was a Marine and had recently gotten back from float. We spoke of world travel at this time and I told him the places we went to.
What strikes me most is what he said as to where he grew up: Indonesia. He told me he wanted to be President of the US someday. I remember lightly smiling and commenting that maybe by the time he gets to be 40 or so, America will be ready for a Black man to be President and I wished him luck. We spoke of the racial tensions I saw at home while growing up and I asked him if he ever saw that overseas or since he returned back to Hawaii. I don’t remember his answer, but we spoke more of his time overseas and his thoughts on life and philosophy of government. He made some strange comments to me, it was obvious he never set foot for any time in the continental United States and I told him he better realize that he is making judgments about the United States when he himself never actually lived there. I told him, “Hawaii aint the United States!”
He also told me something that I never forgot, for it caused me to do some other things in an effort to be nice to him and possibly a favor. We spoke of where I had been and the world as I saw it. I told him I had been to Africa , Mombassa specifically, and he said to me abruptly, “I was born there”. I told him he is not eligible to be president if that was true, but I remembered he said his mom was an American, so, maybe it was okay. But it was what I did after that makes this a true memory: I went back to the barracks and told others of this guy and suggested we all grab our photo albums and visit him again and show him pictures of Mombassa so he could see where he was from.
No one wanted to go, and at that time, my camera had failed me weeks before we hit Mombassa and it was late August or early September until I had borrowed someone else’s pictures to develop myself so I had copies of where I was. But I never forgot meeting that man for those reasons. I was going to do him a favor and show him his home country of birth. And I never went back for some reason, most likely I forgot to or just felt that a one time chance encounter would be meaningless to both of us and didn’t mean we were friends.
In the light of what is called “The Birther” movement, these memories are still foremost in my mind concerning this. While I cannot swear it was Barak Obama, all the details I do remember of that chance encounter fit the profile of the man who some people claim is born in Kenya and others claim he was born in Hawaii . The man I met was about 18, thin, Mulatto, told me he was born in Mombassa, raised overseas, was living in Hawaii and hadn’t yet been to many places in the world outside of those places, mostly, hadn’t been to the mainland of America for any long time period if at all. And he openly told me he wanted to be President.
And I remember that face, the face of a young man who sat on a table to my right front, his hands resting on the edge of the table, him leaning forward, his smile, all teeth. It was Barak Obama. I don’t know if I’d bet my life on it, but I am willing to tell people openly at the risk of my ridicule. I was there, and saw him, spoke to him, and he openly told me he was born in Mombassa, Kenya, not Hawaii .
Does it matter? Of course it does. It should not have to be explained as to why it matters.


48 posted on 01/16/2010 3:17:23 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: neverdem

The First Time I Heard Of Barack

By Tom Fife 11-20-8

During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid 1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M.; he had a wife named T.M.
V. was a level-headed scientist while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause - a cause she obviously was not abandoning.
One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture were invited to V. & T.’s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions.
As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge - one her husband tried to quietly rein in.

The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this:

“You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven’t you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice- president and you didn’t do it.”
The general response went something along the lines that you don’t vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don’t vote for vice-president, but the president and vice-president as a ticket.
“Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon.”
The consensus we expressed was that we didn’t think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she black or not.
“What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?”
The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, “Well, you will; and he will be a Communist.”
It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, “It sounds like you know something we don’t know.”
“Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of Presidents. He is what you call “Ivy League”. You don’t believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That’s right, a chocolate baby! And he’s going to be your President.”
She became more and more smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly - as though all were foregone conclusions. “It’s all been thought out. His father is not an American black so he won’t have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He’s gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America.”
We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: they would give us a black president and he’d be a Communist to boot. She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.
She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.
She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the legislature. “Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet.”
At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn’t understand what the point was and don’t recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.
Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: “If I remember correctly, ‘Barack’ comes from the Arabic word for ‘Blessing.’ That seems to be an odd name for an American.” She replied quickly, “Yes. It is ‘African’”, she insisted, “and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world.”
She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism and Barack was going to pave the way.
So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?
Well, it’s definitely anecdotal. It doesn’t prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed.

Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30+ years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.

Tom Fife


49 posted on 01/16/2010 3:27:02 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: SpaceBar

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50 posted on 01/16/2010 3:45:14 AM PST by ezo4 (Listen to this man - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x32cxf_yuri-bezmenov)
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51 posted on 01/16/2010 3:52:52 AM PST by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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Thanx ! Interesting thesis.

It has been many years now since I first heard Rush claim "...that militant environmentalism is the new home of displaced communists. It's where they have taken refuge. This so-called climate change and especially manmade climate change has become one of the most dangerous arguments aimed at distorting human efforts and public policies in the whole world."

Watermelon environmentalists have already won battles that undermine capitalism. And now we are witnessing the "global warming crisis" salient in the left's campaign on freedom and capitaism where the prescription for solving Anthropogenic Global Warming ™ Anthropogenic Climate Change ™ is an unhealthy dose of massive socialism, plain and simple.

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

52 posted on 01/16/2010 4:48:27 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Freedom from fat cat greedy Big Government tyranny IS a Right ... It IS the Constitution.)
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To: neverdem

Alive and well in our very own White House


53 posted on 01/16/2010 4:51:13 AM PST by jersey117
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To: gwilhelm56

Yup. Gorbachev has been living in San Francisco for some years now, directing it all.


54 posted on 01/16/2010 4:55:15 AM PST by RoadTest (The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Ps. 119:130)
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To: SpaceBar

“There are some posts here that think the notion of communism simpling setting up shop elsewhere is ridiculous, but that’s exactly what it does. Russia wasn’t the seat of communism, it was simply one of its victims. The ideology is alive and well in thousands of hatcheries known as liberal arts departments across the United States and in other places it finds fertile ground. It lives in a country not, but in misguided minds.”

Yes! You’ve said it very accurately!


55 posted on 01/16/2010 4:57:39 AM PST by RoadTest (The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Ps. 119:130)
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To: JasonC

“Nope, it actually died. Stone cold dead. Misinformation ahead of time just tried to make their impending collapse a little less embarrassing. The folks who couldn’t make a decent pair of shoes couldn’t scheme their way to world power either. It is a fantasy.”

BUZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

Thats the “wrong” buzzer.


56 posted on 01/16/2010 4:59:22 AM PST by RoadTest (The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Ps. 119:130)
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To: gwilhelm56

“Limbaugh warned us from the beginning that Communism wasn’t DEAD... it just moved to USA and Hid in the ENVIRONMENTAL MOVEMENT.”

Didn’t know that. I knew Senator Joseph McCarthy did back in the ‘50s.


57 posted on 01/16/2010 5:09:57 AM PST by RoadTest (The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Ps. 119:130)
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To: kristinn; melancholy; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
As I have said MANY times ...

Communism is not dead -- it is alive and well in the United States of America!

58 posted on 01/16/2010 5:27:38 AM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
While back in Hawaii by late June of 1980, we went back to Honolulu for liberty.......

Is this story in your post your personal experience?
The CFP story linked just above does not contain this info.
While it would simply be looked at as hearsay...it is very powerful information.

59 posted on 01/16/2010 5:35:44 AM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: neverdem
First off 'communism' didn't die in 1991., the USSR collapsed, that is all. Communism never died and is around us more now than ever so it had no death to fake.

The last time we fought communism with bullets was in Nam(1), next time it'll be in our own streets.

I discount our little adventure in Grenada against 1,000 Cuban commies.

60 posted on 01/16/2010 5:35:59 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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