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To: BenKenobi

Legal recognition of marriage is very often the basis for government handing over your hard-earned assets to someone other than who YOU want to have them (and in the case of the “marriage tax”, that someone is the federal government). Legal recognition of marriage was also the sole reason that the creepy Michael Schiavo was able to get his wife’s feeding tube removed against the wishes of her parents and siblings.

Free citizens don’t expect their government to provide them with “a model and a guide for behavior.” Again, that’s what communist governments do — they decide what values the people ought to live by, and then use government power to make life more difficult for those who don’t comply. The degree of difficulty varies widely, from execution to lack of favors granted to correct-living citizens, but the warped and freedom-destroying principle is always the same: that government has a right to tell people how to live their lives.


75 posted on 01/11/2010 11:40:33 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I agree with you on one point... This is a welfare program for the fascists in the legal profession.

That said, Ted Olson has gone over to the other side of the enemy, he is a traitor.


76 posted on 01/12/2010 2:45:30 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

“Free citizens don’t expect their government to provide them with “a model and a guide for behavior.”

Then why are there such concepts such as rule of law? Why for example should a government penalise those who break contracts? Free citizens expect that the government can and has an obligation to protect them from other citizens. The government does provide a model and a guide for behaviour. The alternative is anarchy.

“Again, that’s what communist governments do — they decide what values the people ought to live by, and then use government power to make life more difficult for those who don’t comply.”

Communists imply that there are no ‘values’ beyond those of economics. Get that straight. Conservatives argue that there exist traditional values by which society has operated for thousands of years, which are necessary for an orderly functioning of society.

You are siding with the communists here, not I, by arguing that there is no valid model wrt to marriage.

“that government has a right to tell people how to live their lives.”

Sure they do. The government says that killing other people is wrong. Is that a bad thing? The government says that theft is wrong. Is that a bad thing? The government tells us what to do all the time.

WRT to marriage, marriage recognition can confer tax penalties (imposed by marxists), who are trying to drive people to make the exact same conclusion as you are that society can do without marriage altogether. This is one of their strategies. Open your eyes, and see.

They don’t care if they get you in a ‘marriage equivalent’ (ie Common law), or outside of marriage altogether provided you say all the right things, such as what you are saying here. Society doesn’t need marriage in your words.


82 posted on 01/12/2010 3:19:52 AM PST by BenKenobi (;)
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