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To: El Gato
You were saying ...

It may be a matter of record, but it's not legal evidence. The statement was not given under oath nor submitted to any court.

If it were meant for a court (and if a court had ordered it), it would have been according to the evidence requirements of the court. But, it wasn't for a court and it was not ordered by a court.

The official public statement was for the public, and because of all the complaints about the previous statement not saying specifically that he was born in Hawaii.

So, after getting incessant calls from the public to make an official statement on it (and also like many here said that the State should make clear, more so than they did in the first official statement that they made) -- the State of Hawaii did exactly that -- and thus said, officially, that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born American citizen.

And I have no doubt, that if it were to ever come to a point where any court would order a certified copy for the court, they would also do that, too, providing that information to the court showing that Obama was born in Hawaii.

As it stands now, the public has its information. If the court wants it, according to its evidence requirements -- they can order it.


The so called "Smith" Kenyan birth certificate was at least submitted as evidence to a court, and was accompanied by a witnessed affidavit.

LOL... yeah I heard about the scammer, Smith... :-)

I saw it when he tried to sell that birth certificate on eBay, and was shut down about five or six times, and then I saw the WorldNetDaily article (or articles) about him and how he went back on having WorldNetDaily look at it and verify it (like he said). And I also saw where several FReepers spotted that he was some sort of criminal and also a scammer and had some kind of history of scamming (at least according to several FReepers who posted on it and looked at it).

And then I saw where Smith also accused Taitz of trying to get him to lie and saying that Taitz wanted to jump his bones -- or something like that (it gets confusing with what that guy says)... LOL...

Having a scammer like that swear out anything doesn't mean too much considering his background. Even his previous lawyer (quoted by WorldNetDaily) said that his client was not following through with what he said he would do and he was dropping him because of that. Smith also have some kind of "agent" too, and that agent was dropping him because of the kind of flake that he was.

Using Smith as some kind of "poster boy" for some "legitimacy" on this issue, is like putting Hitler on the board of the ADL (Anti-Defamation League)... :-)

268 posted on 01/12/2010 3:02:32 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
The point being that Smith signed an affidavit under penalty of perjery. The "Good Doctor" (who apparently had a heck of time passing her exams, and has no speciality) has done no such thing.

The State of Hawaii, and most especially not the Good Doctor, has no authority to declare anyone a "natural born citizen", because that determination takes more information than they have in their records. The long form BC only has parent's birth place, not their citizenship.

As it stands now, the public has its information. If the court wants it, according to its evidence requirements -- they can order it.

That is one of the points, they obviously DON'T want it. They don't want to look at any evidence, and AFAIK, haven't.

And I have no doubt, that if it were to ever come to a point where any court would order a certified copy for the court, they would also do that, too, providing that information to the court showing that Obama was born in Hawaii.

They will need to provide the actual document, that's the only way that any plaintiff could challenge it's legitimacy. If they only provide selected information, there is no way the information can be verified. But if they provide the whole thing, hospital records can be checked, the doctor can be reasearched to see if that doctor actually practiced in that hospital at that time. Or if no doctor is shown, and the birth is recorded as being "at home", or some other place not a Hawaiian hospital, that's a horse of a different color, but still might leave some room for verification and/or rebuttal.

281 posted on 01/12/2010 5:04:17 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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