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America slides deeper into depression as Wall Street revels
The Daily Telegraph ^ | 10 January 2010 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 01/10/2010 2:17:34 PM PST by ScaniaBoy

The labour force contracted by 661,000. This did not show up in the headline jobless rate because so many Americans dropped out of the system. The broad U6 category of unemployment rose to 17.3pc. That is the one that matters.

Wall Street rallied. Bulls hope that weak jobs data will postpone monetary tightening: a silver lining in every catastrophe, or perhaps a further exhibit of market infantilism.

The home foreclosure guillotine usually drops a year or so after people lose their job, and exhaust their savings. The local sheriff will escort them out of the door, often with some sympathy –– just like the police in 1932, mostly Irish Catholics who tithed 1pc of their pay for soup kitchens.

Realtytrac says defaults and repossessions have been running at over 300,000 a month since February. One million American families lost their homes in the fourth quarter. Moody's Economy.com expects another 2.4m homes to go this year. Taken together, this looks awfully like Steinbeck's Grapes of Wrath.

Judges are finding ways to block evictions. One magistrate in Minnesota halted a case calling the creditor "harsh, repugnant, shocking and repulsive". We are not far from a de facto moratorium in some areas. This is how it ended between 1932 and 1934, when half the US states declared moratoria or "Farm Holidays". Such flexibility innoculated America's democracy against the appeal of Red Unions and Coughlin Fascists. The home siezures are occurring despite frantic efforts by the Obama administration to delay the process.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: federalreserve; financialcrisis; housingmarket; thecomingdepression; wallstreet
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1 posted on 01/10/2010 2:17:36 PM PST by ScaniaBoy
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To: FromLori; dennisw; TigerLikesRooster

Ping.


2 posted on 01/10/2010 2:28:40 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

Thanks for the ping the news is starting to catch on I wish it was not so but that is where we are a deepening depression.


3 posted on 01/10/2010 2:32:36 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Petronski
"Business will turn for the better this month or next, recovering vigorously in the third quarter and end the year substantially above normal."

~~Harvard Economic Society, May 17, 1930

4 posted on 01/10/2010 2:38:12 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Ouch! I didn’t read the date at first. Good reminder!


5 posted on 01/10/2010 2:49:44 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy; FromLori

If you liked that one, try these:

Quotes by Famous Economists and Politicians, 1927-1933.

“We will not have any more crashes in our time.”
- John Maynard Keynes in 1927

“I cannot help but raise a dissenting voice to statements that we are living in a fool’s paradise, and that prosperity in this country must necessarily diminish and recede in the near future.”
- E. H. H. Simmons, President, New York Stock Exchange, January 12, 1928

“There will be no interruption of our permanent prosperity.”
- Myron E. Forbes, President, Pierce Arrow Motor Car Co., January 12, 1928

“No Congress of the United States ever assembled, on surveying the state of the Union, has met with a more pleasing prospect than that which appears at the present time. In the domestic field there is tranquility and contentment...and the highest record of years of prosperity. In the foreign field there is peace, the goodwill which comes from mutual understanding.”
- Calvin Coolidge December 4, 1928

“There may be a recession in stock prices, but not anything in the nature of a crash.”
- Irving Fisher, leading U.S. economist , New York Times, Sept. 5, 1929

“Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau. I do not feel there will be soon if ever a 50 or 60 point break from present levels, such as (bears) have predicted. I expect to see the stock market a good deal higher within a few months.”
- Irving Fisher, Ph.D. in economics, Oct. 17, 1929

“This crash is not going to have much effect on business.”
- Arthur Reynolds, Chairman of Continental Illinois Bank of Chicago, October 24, 1929

“There will be no repetition of the break of yesterday... I have no fear of another comparable decline.”
- Arthur W. Loasby (President of the Equitable Trust Company), quoted in NYT, Friday, October 25, 1929

“We feel that fundamentally Wall Street is sound, and that for people who can afford to pay for them outright, good stocks are cheap at these prices.”
- Goodbody and Company market-letter quoted in The New York Times, Friday, October 25, 1929

“This is the time to buy stocks. This is the time to recall the words of the late J. P. Morgan... that any man who is bearish on America will go broke. Within a few days there is likely to be a bear panic rather than a bull panic. Many of the low prices as a result of this hysterical selling are not likely to be reached again in many years.”
- R. W. McNeel, market analyst, as quoted in the New York Herald Tribune, October 30, 1929

“Buying of sound, seasoned issues now will not be regretted”
- E. A. Pearce market letter quoted in the New York Herald Tribune, October 30, 1929

“Some pretty intelligent people are now buying stocks... Unless we are to have a panic — which no one seriously believes, stocks have hit bottom.”
- R. W. McNeal, financial analyst in October 1929

“The decline is in paper values, not in tangible goods and services...America is now in the eighth year of prosperity as commercially defined. The former great periods of prosperity in America averaged eleven years. On this basis we now have three more years to go before the tailspin.”
- Stuart Chase (American economist and author), NY Herald Tribune, November 1, 1929

“Hysteria has now disappeared from Wall Street.”
- The Times of London, November 2, 1929

“The Wall Street crash doesn’t mean that there will be any general or serious business depression... For six years American business has been diverting a substantial part of its attention, its energies and its resources on the speculative game... Now that irrelevant, alien and hazardous adventure is over. Business has come home again, back to its job, providentially unscathed, sound in wind and limb, financially stronger than ever before.”
- Business Week, November 2, 1929

“...despite its severity, we believe that the slump in stock prices will prove an intermediate movement and not the precursor of a business depression such as would entail prolonged further liquidation...”
- Harvard Economic Society (HES), November 2, 1929

“... a serious depression seems improbable; [we expect] recovery of business next spring, with further improvement in the fall.”
- HES, November 10, 1929

“The end of the decline of the Stock Market will probably not be long, only a few more days at most.”
- Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics at Yale University, November 14, 1929

“In most of the cities and towns of this country, this Wall Street panic will have no effect.”
- Paul Block (President of the Block newspaper chain), editorial, November 15, 1929

“Financial storm definitely passed.”
- Bernard Baruch, cablegram to Winston Churchill, November 15, 1929

“I see nothing in the present situation that is either menacing or warrants pessimism... I have every confidence that there will be a revival of activity in the spring, and that during this coming year the country will make steady progress.”
- Andrew W. Mellon, U.S. Secretary of the Treasury December 31, 1929

“I am convinced that through these measures we have reestablished confidence.”
- Herbert Hoover, December 1929

“[1930 will be] a splendid employment year.”
- U.S. Dept. of Labor, New Year’s Forecast, December 1929

“For the immediate future, at least, the outlook (stocks) is bright.”
- Irving Fisher, Ph.D. in Economics, in early 1930

“...there are indications that the severest phase of the recession is over...”
- Harvard Economic Society (HES) Jan 18, 1930

“There is nothing in the situation to be disturbed about.”
- Secretary of the Treasury Andrew Mellon, Feb 1930

“The spring of 1930 marks the end of a period of grave concern...American business is steadily coming back to a normal level of prosperity.”
- Julius Barnes, head of Hoover’s National Business Survey Conference, Mar 16, 1930

“... the outlook continues favorable...”
- HES Mar 29, 1930

“... the outlook is favorable...”
- HES Apr 19, 1930

“While the crash only took place six months ago, I am convinced we have now passed through the worst — and with continued unity of effort we shall rapidly recover. There has been no significant bank or industrial failure. That danger, too, is safely behind us.”
- Herbert Hoover, President of the United States, May 1, 1930

“...by May or June the spring recovery forecast in our letters of last December and November should clearly be apparent...”
- HES May 17, 1930

“Gentleman, you have come sixty days too late. The depression is over.”
- Herbert Hoover, responding to a delegation requesting a public works program to help speed the recovery, June 1930

“... irregular and conflicting movements of business should soon give way to a sustained recovery...”
- HES June 28, 1930

“... the present depression has about spent its force...”
- HES, Aug 30, 1930

“We are now near the end of the declining phase of the depression.”
- HES Nov 15, 1930

“Stabilization at [present] levels is clearly possible.”
- HES Oct 31, 1931

“All safe deposit boxes in banks or financial institutions have been sealed... and may only be opened in the presence of an agent of the I.R.S.”
- President F.D. Roosevelt, 1933

Compiled by Colin J. Seymour, June 2001
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~netking


6 posted on 01/10/2010 2:52:21 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Petronski; dennisw; TigerLikesRooster

By the way if your interested there is a new Celente interview here

http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2010/1/9_Gerald_Celente.html


7 posted on 01/10/2010 2:53:54 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: ScaniaBoy
The home siezures are occurring despite frantic efforts by the Obama administration to delay the process.

Obama, frantic? Riiiiiiight.

8 posted on 01/10/2010 2:54:18 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Travis McGee

““All safe deposit boxes in banks or financial institutions have been sealed... and may only be opened in the presence of an agent of the I.R.S.””

What?!


9 posted on 01/10/2010 2:56:20 PM PST by CatQuilt (Lover of cats =^..^= and quilts)
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To: CatQuilt

That was part of the 1933 law that banned most private ownership of gold.


10 posted on 01/10/2010 2:59:10 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Oh dear.

Shouldn’t that have been his famous last words?

“We will not have any more crashes in our time.” (JM Keynes).

Predictions are so difficult, especially about the future. :-)


11 posted on 01/10/2010 2:59:33 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

JM Keynes’ best was the one about intentionally running up deficits to stimulate the economy.

“Can it work in the long run?” he was asked.

“In the long run, we’re all dead,” was his famous reply.

IOW, “Tra la la, we’ll be dead, our grandkids can deal with the aftermath.”

Well, that old childless queen Keynes is dead, and now, his “long run” has arrived.


12 posted on 01/10/2010 3:02:21 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Thank you important for people to know they will LIE through their teeth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLjo7-J1qho&feature=related


13 posted on 01/10/2010 3:05:53 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Travis McGee

Wow... So we’ve been on this road to perdition for quite awhile...


14 posted on 01/10/2010 3:05:56 PM PST by CatQuilt (Lover of cats =^..^= and quilts)
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To: Travis McGee

Yup, the “long run has arrived”. See this thread with some interesting graphs.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2425397/posts


15 posted on 01/10/2010 3:06:36 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Tallguy
Obama, frantic?

LOL... Only if they start closing his golf courses.

16 posted on 01/10/2010 3:20:29 PM PST by RJL
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To: FromLori

Celente bump


17 posted on 01/10/2010 3:27:43 PM PST by Taffini ( Mr. Pippen and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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To: ScaniaBoy
We have to read the absolute truth in a foreign newspaper... our government and the media lie constantly... and no one trusts them any longer.

LLS

18 posted on 01/10/2010 3:32:56 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: Travis McGee
Typical haaavaaad bullsh!t!

LLS

19 posted on 01/10/2010 3:33:51 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: ScaniaBoy

IMHO 401 Ks and IRAs are holding up the stock market. I try to warn people at work how shaky the ground we stand upon is. Their response is well if it goes down I’ll get more stock for my money. I don’t think they have any appreciation of where this economy is. Where this nation is.


20 posted on 01/10/2010 3:36:00 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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