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To: okie01; All

Right. Did Obama and Holder want to ruin the civilian criminal justice systems for American citizens by forcing a judge to throw out established law on coerced confessions? Or did they want these terrorists to walk?

Next issue that would free them, if their confessions are not suppressed, would be speedy trial.

Holder is a former Judge. Both he and Bambi know what they are doing, so it is all the more insidious.

And Obama and Holder hinting around that they will continue to hold these clowns even if the civilian court acquits them? Pure poppycock. There would be a Double Jeopardy claim so that military courts could not touch them. Only the Hague would be a next forum, and those folks would greet them as heroes.

The key is as soon as anyone reaches US Soil (which Gitmo is not) they gain all 14th amendment rights, due process, attorney, jury trial, exclusionary rule, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th amendment protections, which are generally afforded to US Citizens. Bringing them here for trial or switching them from Gitmo to Illinois gives them the full array of “rights”. That is the true crime.


64 posted on 01/08/2010 4:07:52 PM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: shalom aleichem
Did Obama and Holder want to ruin the civilian criminal justice systems for American citizens by forcing a judge to throw out established law on coerced confessions? Or did they want these terrorists to walk?

Upon reflection, I'd have believe they'd be satisfied with either outcome.

And I'm thinking that maybe, just maybe, Obama's surprising anger expressed at his statement from Hawaii was because the Xmas bomber had compromised his plan to engineer the release KSM, et al

After all, to his strategic mindset, how better to mend fences with al-Qaeda than to release the perpetrators -- demonstrating how very, very fair his America really was.

Then, along came this Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab blundering into his carefully laid scheme...

Far-fetched? Yeah. But still a possibility...

69 posted on 01/08/2010 4:33:30 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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