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To: Seizethecarp; Fred Nerks; rxsid; LucyT; BP2; InspectorSmith
Mr. Charlton has reponded:

"Mr. Charlton replies: There are internal problems with the Blaine document, not to mention provenance issues since the one releasing it, wont confirm the release:

http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/19/the-blaine-document/

I wrote back on Oct. 19th, in regard to the Blaine Document: “The document is also self contradictory, since a Doctor cannot certify a live birth at a foreign hospital. He has to be present to do that.”

The first part is a problem, since the one releasing it won't even confirm the release.

However, as to the "Doctor" signing it. Wasn't it determined that the same person signed both boxes, 18 and 19a? If that is true, then whomever signed the "application", also signed the "Dr's" name as well. If that's true, then of course no Dr. signed certifying a live birth at a foreign hospital.

129 posted on 01/11/2010 9:43:59 AM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid
“However, as to the “Doctor” signing it. Wasn't it determined that the same person signed both boxes, 18 and 19a? If that is true, then whomever signed the “application”, also signed the “Dr's” name as well. If that's true, then of course no Dr. signed certifying a live birth at a foreign hospital.”

I strenuously dispute the contention that the same person signed on 18a and 19a, staring with the capital Ms and then the 8s in the date.

Here is my response to Charlton refuting his claim that an MD signed in 19a, and note that his subsequent response offered no contradiction to my point but rather only encouraged further citizen journalism:

January 11, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Mr. Charlton: When I look at the Blaine document, I see no certifying signature by a “Doctor” in field 19a “Signature of Attendant” as you claimed at the time, but only the signature of a person designated “Other” and specifically _not_ designated as MD.

While it is true that an MD wouldn't honestly sign as an attendant if they weren't there, a person that accompanied Grandma to the office of the local registrar to “witness” that a Kenya birth in an unknown hospital had been reported to Grandma might well have signed it.

It might be that the policy and procedures for the local registrar mandated putting the declared city of residence as “Location of Birth” in field 6a for out-of-state births allowed under HI Law 57, and for a “witness” to sign as a second person with “knowledge of the birth” to attest on line 19a “Attendant” in the case of a late, out-of-state birth report.

I don't think that the actual attendant at an out-of-state birth be expected to show up at the local registrar's office in HI to sign a late certificate of birth, but a second person with knowledge of the birth could well have been instructed to sign on that line as “Other.”

I strongly suggest that you, Leo D’Donofrio and John Hemenway take another look at the Blaine BC. I am disappointed to hear that Blaine won’t make the provenance of the original available so far. Again, it maps to the Factcheck COLB and allows Fukino to say that the Location of Birth on the HI vital record says “Honolulu” without mentioning that it also says that the hospital was “Unknown – Kenya, Africa”.

130 posted on 01/11/2010 11:25:47 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: rxsid; Fred Nerks
I have forwarded my Post & Email comments and Charlton's first reply to John Hemenway, Stephen Pidgeon and asked Pidgeon to forward to Leo Donofrio (whose name spelling I have corrected). Links to this thread are included.
133 posted on 01/11/2010 12:05:06 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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