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To: WVKayaker; P-Marlowe; wagglebee

You’re missing the point Kayaker.
Marlowe and Wagglebee are in a tizzy over Islam.
Your post has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, actually.

How about looking up what Islam has ot say for itself?
Can you prove that anything I posted about Islam is incorrect?
Islam does not recognize freedom of religion.
Matter of fact, were I to convert to Islam, I could by Islamic law, kill you and claim your women as my servants.
That’s contained in the links I posted...


436 posted on 01/12/2010 10:53:16 AM PST by Darksheare (Tar is cheap, and feathers are plentiful.)
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To: Darksheare; WVKayaker; P-Marlowe
You’re missing the point Kayaker.
Marlowe and Wagglebee are in a tizzy over Islam.

No tizzy, I'm just curious how it is you plan to abolish the practice of Islam in the United States and still keep Christianity safe. NOBODY seems to be able to answer this one.

442 posted on 01/12/2010 10:59:25 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Darksheare; MestaMachine; DJ MacWoW; wagglebee; P-Marlowe; xzins; WVKayaker; blue-duncan; ...
You’re missing the point Kayaker. Marlowe and Wagglebee are in a tizzy over Islam.

Wrong! We are not defending Islam, we are defending the Constitution, specifically the First Amendment guarantee of Religious Liberty. I could give a damn about Islam and quite frankly I have stated on several posts my distain for Islamic teachings. Neverthless, the First Amendment guarantees people the right to be wrong and the right to espouse teachings that Americans in general might find both offensive and intolerable. At least one poster on this thread made the suggestion that the Constitution was not designed to protect the rights of non-Judeo Christian religions.

If we expect Muslims to tolerate the rights of Christians in countries in which they are the majority, then we cannot advocate that this country, in which the Muslims are the minority must be the target of religious intolerance, even if the Islamic religion itself is intolerant.

The first amendment does not state that only those religions which were prominent in the United States in 1789 will be "tolerated". If that were the case, then Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and nearly all non-denominational Christian Churches would be given second class status under the First Amendment. The Founders were well aware of the dangers of Islamic teachings, yet they did not take their fear to the point where they made an exception to the First Amendment for Islam. They espoused the principle that in order to be a truly free people, we must be willing to tolerate some ideas and beliefs that run counter to what we as Americans believe and what we as Americans stand for.

We do not need to become like the Muslims in order to keep our Republic. They can believe in their idea of an American Islamic Utopia and I am not threatened by that belief as I have faith that Americans will reject such a concept outright and they don't need any help from THE STATE to accomplish that rejection. Our Republic is not in danger from the Muslims. It is in danger from do-gooder Statists who want to use the power of Government to turn this nation into a Socialist Utopia. Right now nearly 50% of Americans are on the verge of buying into that notion and yet we have Freepers advocating that the Nanny State protect us from the ideas of Muslims, who make up less than 1% of the population of this country and of those I suspect that only about 1% want to see it turned into the Islamic Paradise that you guys are all panicking about to the point where you are willing to toss the First Amendment under the bus and give the State the power to determine which religions are going to be protected by the First Amendment and which are not.

If I haven't made myself clear, let me know and I'll be more than happy to post another dissertation.

493 posted on 01/12/2010 11:55:53 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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