'Naked machines' headed for airports

Oklahoma Watchdog ^ | January 5, 2010 | Andrew W. Griffin

[SoonerStorm09]

OKLAHOMA CITY – Will Rogers World Airport will get full body scanners like the one at Tulsa International, though at least one area resident says the “naked machines” will be enough to keep her from flying.

Following the attempted Christmas Day bombing of Northwest flight 253, the federal Transportation Security Administration has ramped up plans to make sure airline travelers are thoroughly searched and even scanned in new machines.

Some travelers are not thrilled with the idea of having to go through the body scanners, or “naked machine,” as Norman resident and activist Kaye Beach calls them.

“The way I understand it, they have capability to record (the image), though they say they don’t. I’m sorry, but the ‘trust us’ route doesn’t work.”

“The airport route has gotten to be such a hassle and uncomfortable that I will pretty much not fly, unless there’s an emergency,” Beach said. “I will never go through a naked machine and my daughter will not go through a naked machine. It’s definitely altered my habits. I used to like to fly and liked going to airports. Not any more. I feel like a criminal going through there.”

Beach said that she is suspicious of people like former Department of Homeland Security head Michael Chertoff who advocate body scanners and have interests in a company, the Chertoff Group with a client that makes the machines, according to The Washington Post.

A report out of Britain’s Guardian newspaper notes that detail may break child pornography laws there.

[Sarajevo]

Your disinformation is more a representation of your warped imagination than any reality.

OK, JG- Don't just shill for a governmental agency whose prime objective is to strip dignity from decent people, Prove it!

[Screaming_Gerbil]

Talk to your Sensei about the best way to take down a terrorist in a crowed air plane. Mine says to get him in choke hold and hold it until he passes out. That should take less than ten seconds. It is usually less than 5 seconds. You may kill him but that is better than the him killing you. This was the technique used by a 70 year old American to kill a robber of his tour buss in Costa Rica.

Thank you for mentioning the effectiveness of the figure-four choke-hold / strangle-hold.

I wondered about how an older guy was able to take out a younger guy, but since you told me that it makes sense now.

I know some of the "older guys" are WW2, Korean war, or Vietnam vets and have killed an enemy in close combat before and could do it again if they had to.

Chokehold (wikipedia)

Here is a link to a Youtube video of a pretty cool demonstration of the technique used to put an opponent to sleep performed here by Cris Cyborg...

Reporter regrets interviewing Cris Cybor

[Jeff Gordon]

Prove it? The procedures and capabilities of the scanners are easily found with a Google search. None of your imaginary issues are fact based.

[Jeff Gordon]

I noted that the guy in the image you proved was not doing the hold properly. He did not have an effective left arm lock.

[Screaming_Gerbil]

I noted that the guy in the image you provided was not doing the hold properly. He did not have an effective left arm lock.

You are correct - he doesn't have a good figure four lock with the palm of his hand on the back of his opponent's head pushing forward, so his opponent could turn his head and neck to oppose the chokehold.

Good call.

At least Cris Cyborg gets it right and shows us how it's done here:

Cris Cyborg Chokes Out Reporter

(I was surprised that they guy went unconscious that fast).

[Screaming_Gerbil]

I noted that the guy in the image you provided was not doing the hold properly. He did not have an effective left arm lock.

You are correct - he doesn't have a good figure four lock with the palm of his hand on the back of his opponent's head pushing forward, so his opponent could turn his head and neck to oppose the chokehold.

Good call.

At least Cris Cyborg gets it right and shows us how it's done here:

Cris Cyborg Chokes Out Reporter

(I was surprised that they guy went unconscious that fast)

And since I am posting on this stuff, might as well post the link to this video also:

Gina Carano Also Chokes Out A Reporter, And Makes It Look Sexy - Gina Carano chokes out tv host")

(At about the 4 minute mark after the punches and kicks, it goes into a demonstration by Gina Carano using the tv host as a test dummy - and a more scientific explanation of what is happening when someone is choked into unconsciousness).

[antceecee]

How is the assault on personal freedom and a virtual strip search of persons who are completely NOT likely terrorists protecting your family? Are you capable of seeing the BS we are being fed? I think not. Whatever they tell you just say okay and do it. Lemming.

[dalereed]

It woould be a lot cheaper and more effective if eceryone had to fly nude!!!!

[antceecee]

Well if “eceryone” wants to fly .. fine with me.

[dalereed]

go to hell!

If you don’t like the spelling tough shit!

i’m sure you got the meaniong!

[DTogo]

Scanner + cellphone/digital camera + internet = SHTF

[Ronaldus Magnus]

This technology is already obsolete. A suppository bomb almost took out Saudi prince Mohammed bin Nayef in October. This type of bomb is completely undetectable without a full body x-ray or a physical cavity search. This scanning technology is only useful for detecting yesterday’s terrorists and entertaining TSA pedophiles.

[dragnet2]

This technology is already obsolete. A suppository bomb almost took out Saudi prince Mohammed bin Nayef in October. This type of bomb is completely undetectable without a full body x-ray or a physical cavity search.

I'm sure even the wannabe terrorist understand this....Not to mention the folks that make the scanners are the client of Mr. Chertoff's security firm.

Just a coinkeydinky, I'm sure.

[Jeff Gordon]

Whatever they tell you just say okay and do it. Lemming.

Just like you are making false judgments about the scanners based upon little or no information, you are making false judgments about me based upon little or no information. It is a bad habit which you should seek to moderate.

[Jeff Gordon]

Please provide a link to something that proves that the L3 scanner will not detect a suppository bomb? It appears to me that this is just another imaginary limitation that does not exist in reality.

[jla]

I go thru one when I fly out of Richmond. Quick and hassle free. No ‘outrage’ over these devices from me.

[dragnet2]

Please provide a link to something that proves that the L3 scanner will not detect a suppository bomb?

Scuse me, you're the one that is questioning this, show me proof that it can, every time.

If what your suggesting is true, it should only take you a minute to provide your proof.

Oh, how do you like that coinkydinky about Chertoff's security firm's big client being....Well.. the folks that make the scanners!!

Shazzam!!

[Jeff Gordon]

Nice dodge.

Tell me exactly what it is that you would like me to prove. I'll see what I can do. But please, don't ask me to prove a negative.

[Jeff Gordon]

how do you like that coinkydinky about Chertoff's security firm's big client being....Well.. the folks that make the scanners!!

I will express my opinion on this matter as soon as you prove that it is true. You seem to big on imaginary facts thus I will not waste my time on yet another possible imaginary fact.