To: Drew68
The definition of "Natural Born Citizen" that requires both parents to be U.S. citizens is nothing more than a fictional device created by birthers specifically to be a standard of eligibility that Obama could not possibly meet.
It is decidedly not my intent to cast aspersions at birthers, but I have yet not found anything in the law that clearly defines natural born citizens. Natural born and native seem to be used interchangeably. The only distinction I seem to find distinguishes between citizens and naturalized citizens. A naturalized citizen is one who through some act of the law becomes a citizen. That would demonstrate a clear difference between naturalized and natural-born as 'born' is not an act of the law.
In the U.S. Code: Title 8, 1401 it even appears that someone can be a citizen as long as they were born here, without reference to the citizenship of their parents. The Constitution (of which I have been accused of not supporting) state, "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"
So the question would seem to hinge on the definition of 'natural born citizen' as opposed to mere citizen and as understood by the founders and, hopefully as interpreted in case law. That is what I am currently looking for and what, for some reason, a few of the folks on this thread seem to be loathe to provide. Preferring instead to call me names.
I would be a happy to see Obama run out of DC on a rail as the next guy but only for reasons that can be supported rationally and in the law. Not simply because I have heard somebody else say he isn't eligible to be president.
Regardless, even if it could be shown definitively that he is not eligible and should therefore be impeached, I maintain that the likelihood of that occurring is close to nil. Given that, there are other areas that ought to be more pressing concerns for someone like Glenn Beck and I think he has chosen them pretty well.
202 posted on
01/06/2010 3:43:43 PM PST by
newheart
("It will keep the government out of your health care decisions..." Barack Obama, July 23, 2009)
To: newheart
It is decidedly not my intent to cast aspersions at birthers, but I have yet not found anything in the law that clearly defines natural born citizens.
Below is an explanation of how the definition can be found in the Constitution.
"Natural Born" is declared in Article II [No Person except a 'natural born' Citizen...]
.. and "Natural Born" is implied and expressed in the Constitution as a result of COMMON LAW.
The Common Law in this case goes all the way back to the Magna Carta (over 700 years). "Natural Born" was actually expressed (written) in Vatel's Law of Nations. If you don't know what the Law of Nations said about "natural born" you should. The Founding Fathers did. The Founding Fathers knew exactly what was implied, expressed and common to law when they drafted Article II, the "natural born" eligibility clause.
The Constitution and de Vattels Law of Nations has the answer to any questions regarding citizenship abroad and any laws crossing national boundaries:
EXCERPT 1. U.S. Constitution, Article II, §1: No Person except a natural born Citizen, OR a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
EXCERPT 2: de Vattels Law of Nations circa 1758 Book 1, Chapter XIX, § 212: The natives, or NATURAL-BORN CITIZENS, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens
The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent.
Finally, the main item in the Constitution that ties both together:
EXCERPT 3: U.S. Constitution, Article I, §8: The Congress shall have Power
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the LAW OF NATIONS.
LAW OF NATIONS is CAPITALIZED, meaning our framers were citing a proper name. There was only one Law of Nations in 1787 officially declared. And yes, Congress has the power to create and enforce ANY LAW mentioned in the Law of Nations written by Emmerich de Vattel! It was sitting right under our noses the entire time.
203 posted on
01/06/2010 3:56:03 PM PST by
Man50D
(Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
To: newheart
The only distinction I seem to find distinguishes between citizens and naturalized citizens. A naturalized citizen is one who through some act of the law becomes a citizen. Natural Born and Naturalized are the only two types of citizens as far as the law is concerned. There is no mythical third category of "citizen born in America but not eligible for the presidency due to foreign parents" as many here would like to believe.
You are either natural born (born in the USA) or naturalized (Arnold Schwarzenegger). That is it. Hawaiian-born Obama is natural born. He is eligible for the presidency (as the photos I linked to demonstrate).
And, yes, as President, he is a disaster. Nonetheless, he is eligible.
U.S. v. Kim Wong Ark determined the American born children of foreigners were citizens and Ankeny v. Daniels applied this ruling specifically to President Obama in affirming his eligibility.
208 posted on
01/06/2010 4:09:57 PM PST by
Drew68
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