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To: TheVitaminPress
And if we keep up this stance of discarding those bits that, a professed belief in, make us appear “naive” then how much longer will it be before discussions such as this have been deemed similarly “naive” and prohibited because a devotion to the 1st Amendment has as well fallen into general disfavor amongst our political and cultural elites.

The "Birthers'" legal quest has turned into a massive wank. Intead of using the Freedom of Information laws in the State of Hawaii, a series of half-assed lawsuits in courts around the country has worked out very badly. No one is suggesting that the BC issue isn't worth discussing, but those who do so ad nauseam are foolish to believe that their failed and incompetent legal efforts have not cost them credibility. That is why Team Obama keeps bringing them up.

OK, so perhaps The Annointed One was born in Vancouver, or Kenya, or on the White House lawn on the 4th of July, the case to make is that he is not a Natural Born Citizen, because he said so and because his father was a foreigner.

Essentially, the "Birthers" are conspiracy theorists, the "Constitutionalists" are legal thinkers with documentary evidence and history to use in making their case.

22 posted on 01/04/2010 8:29:04 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: Kenny Bunk
OK, so perhaps The Annointed One was born in Vancouver, or Kenya, or on the White House lawn on the 4th of July, the case to make is that he is not a Natural Born Citizen, because he said so and because his father was a foreigner.

Yep -- keep hammering Congress, especially the Senators, for Obama's SR511. Their hypocrisy on this issue is out there for all to see -- all who will look at it.

But I also believe that the absence of a valid U.S. birth certificate issue coupled with the fact of a foreign father keeps Obama and his legal team off balance. They are unable to destroy both arguments at the same time.

When they argue that Obama's BC has already been published on Factcheck, they are validating the evidence that his father was a Kenyan foreigner named Barack Obama, Sr. When they try to claim that his father may not have been that foreigner named Barack Obama Sr., then they must produce evidence of such a claim, like a birth certification that will then run counter to that certain Factcheck document that they all, including his campaign, claim to be valid.

It is the Obamanots [not the Birthers and the Foreign Fatherists] who are discombabulated by the dual track of this issue. We need to keep it that way and support each other. The success of one track serves the other, and vice versa. We all win in the long run.

As the scripture says: "In the mouth of two or more witnesses, shall every matter be established". Obama is not a natural born citizen by virtue of more than just one piece of evidence, and we still have to get to the bottom of his Indonesian citizenship and what that means. The more witnesses against his claim to office, the more factual the evidence against his usurpation.

The Obamanots have built a web that has them trapped. They might be able to wriggle out of one argument, but in doing so they entangle themselves in another. We need to keep all arguments alive because they are all valid in their own right.

27 posted on 01/05/2010 8:13:42 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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