Posted on 01/03/2010 6:54:35 PM PST by Man50D
I'm sure you're aware of "Birther" threads where the pros and cons duke it out. You're on the anti side of that whether you used the word "Birther" or not.
I participated sparingly in some of said threads. I didn't get into the contentious argument of whether 0b0z0 is born in HI or somewhere else, a NBC or not. I wanted to see ALL the "other" records, which like the long form BC, are ALL sealed. I want to find out who our Ghost of a president is, and what his life and accomplishments are. This is why I call my self a "Ghoster" not a "Birther." I don't believe any of the anti-birther crowd replied to me. Maybe they considered it off-topic!
Further, the issue of his records “being sealed” (and I hesitate to use that word, but since you did, I will) is problematic to me, especially in light of the fact that Obama himself used private records of Jack Ryan, and another earlier political opponent to win those elections.
Problematic? He sealed his records.
I absolutely agree on your second point of the JR’s sealed records.
But I will take issue with your inflamatory language about threats to just about every entity with “standing. Where in the world do you get this idea that they are threatening “riots” and “blood in the streets”? And who, specifically, is doing the threatening?
First, I put my remarks, in quotation marks, of what "could possibly be" the common denominator in scaring all people with stature or standing from even reporting or talking about the BC lawsuits and their results as "news." They are my own words, trying to make an educated guess as to what the common denominator "could be."
BTW, do you think that this regime uses all kinds of threats against people? I believe the "Chicago way" is an integral part of the regime's tools. Case in point, whatever it takes to pass the HC bill, threats may not work with Senators; bribe them!
Second, the possibility of “riots, CW II, and blood in the streets” was mentioned in many threads on FR. The threads were thoroughly debated with some saying "bring it on" and others saying "'10 election" is the way to go. I simply said, what if the '10 election was ACORNed? A possibility that can't be overlooked, don't you say?
I also mentioned a couple of times that the libs may start some violence in red states, cry foul, accuse Whitey Consevatives, declare martial law, officially suspend freedoms, etc.
The problem with threads like this is that it goes from one feverish claim to another, and pretty soon you are imagining “blood in the streets.”
I didn't "claim" anything. See above, just an educated guess between quotation marks, not attributed to anybody else.
Do I believe that violence will erupt in the future? Yes, because Communists never give an inch unless brutally forced out. People who lived under tyranny will agree.
I know we're dealing with Communists, but you're entitled to your own opinion.
This incessant obsession with Obama’s birth certificate does not add intellect to our demands — to the contrary, it allows the whole of Government and the Mainstream Media to paint ALL of us as kooks!
Beck put it correctly this morning when he asked, “are you on Obama’s SIDE?! THis gives him a weapon to smear ALL Conservatives. A message his sycophantic Press friends are only to glad to broadcast. There is so much MORE that is so OBVIOUSLY unconstitutional — illegal even — that concentrating on the birth certificate issue is a diversion, a distraction. It DAMAGES the chances of stopping this encroaching tyranny, of ending the threat to the Republic and our Constitution.
Ladies and gentlemen — please!
Aw, cheese-n-rice, people!!! Don’t you think that if there were anything to this, Beck would be on it like a Kennedy on a prom date?
“I will tell you this, flat out. Rush Limbaugh has not been threatened, nor has Glenn Beck, nor do I believe, any other broadcaster in the country.”
“Was It a Neuro Magnetic Attack on Rush Limbaugh”
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=7140
Twice within a year? Like during the Klintoon administration, first Vince Foster then when his son finds a box of documents in the attic and calls the FBI he loses the brakes on his car and dies hitting a bridge. BEFORE he meets with the FBI to turn over the documents.
And who was that Brown character with a .50 caliber hole in the top of his skull? And the flight attendant (military) who walked off the crash site without injury but died from having her femoral arteries cut? They crashed in Yugoslavia. And then the guy in charge of the landing guidance system is shot at his front door just like Admiral Borda in VA.
How many coincidences until people connect the dots?
I believe, that THE question that must be asked of those that allege they are concerned for the Constitution and well being of our country is this:
How Can a Natural Born Citizen of the United States of America, at any time of their life, be governed (in any way, shape or form) by a foreign government?
" “When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.” "http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html
Furthermore, notice how HIS campaign web site mentions that he lost his Kenyan citizenship. Well...what about his (BORN WITH) British citizenship? When/how did he "loose" that? Why don't they mention that? There is no record of him renouncing his British citizenship.
The BC issue isn't the only problem for Barry's eligibility.
Can you answer the question in #166?
Perhaps you have an answer for the question in #166?
Your use of incessant obsession paints with a pretty broad brush, preacher. Again, I am a birther but far from obsessed. Heck, if I was an employer and wanted verifying documents from a recent hire and he or she refused to produce, well, there is an issue and makes me think, hmmmmm???
But AGAIN, I stated I have every respect for Beck, Rush, et.al. for not touching this - yet. They are not investigative reporters, but more entertainers. I love them and listen daily...Beck has won my admiration many times by refusing to report on something until it has been independently confirmed. Rush makes me feel like I am not alone in my angst and Hannity, well, he makes me crazy.
...to the contrary, it allows the whole of Government and the Mainstream Media to paint ALL of us as kooks! The left has done such a good job at this that they have fellow conservatives calling other conservatives "nuts". Sounds like a great design for avoiding the issue at hand...and it sure is working.
Say what you will about obsessions... I'll give my appreciation to those brave folks who wish to do the leg work on the issue while I attend conservative meetings, volunteer to work the voter booths and do what I can to un-ass an number of liberals in 2010 and especially that one sitting (When not on vacation) in the Oval Office in 2012. There are plenty of us to fight different fronts.
Be well...
Hopefully a revelation that forces people speak up.
Maybe you have the answer to the question in #166? Do the requirements matter anymore?
I heard Billy Cunniningham radio show last night. He had a guest on that was in the same program as obama at Columbia, but said he never saw him. His guess is he was there but was not attending class, hanging out and doing drugs. At the time there were some racial issues on campus, so (his theory) they let him slide. If anything is exposed I envision school records.
Dear Lord, may there be someone or something to end this madness.
We pray for Your ‘angel in the whirlwind’ and Your righteous hand and justice, for we know You will not be mocked ..........
Because loony conspiracy stuff does not sell advertising.
Because loony conspiracy stuff does not sell advertising."
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Maybe you have the answer to #166? Is that loony? If so, how?
Post #69
I was just listening to the radio and Billy Cunniningham is on and said something is fixing to go down on the Birth Certificate. He said he talked to Sean Hannity 4 days ago about it and said he wasn’t gonna say what they talked about in private but did tell his guest who was talking about the BC by stating if they really start asking hard relentless Birth Certificate questions to the media enough that the cards will fall. Cunningham did say that if Obama is found to be not eligible that the Healthcare would be defeated at a instant and that all stimulas legislation would end as well.
the long march: since 2008-11-20
Interesting timing there.
I sure hope they do start talking about it. Bout time. They need to ask how it is, that someone who openly admitted that he was born a citizen of two different countries...could possibly be a NBC of the U.S. and thus Commander in Chief of the military.
Yeah! Like Tiger Wood's peccadilloes.
Yes. The requirements matter.
Now let’s talk reality.
I want Obama gone. I don’t wish him bodily harm, but I want him out of the White House. Permanently.
Why?
Because he’s doing harm to the country I love.
I think there is a high likelihood that he is constitutionally unqualified to be President, both for the reasons you have outlined and because I see no reason to believe he was born in Hawaii since he can’t produce a valid birth certificate.
However, it is too late for those facts/questions to take power from him NOW. The legal and constitutional process for proving and removing would just take way too long.
In addition, trying to remove him from office the legal route would cause a huge uproar and do even more damage to the country I love. Envision riots and civil unrest; his lowlife supporters won’t give up easily. I’m old enough to remember Watergate, just a terrible time politically. And it was 2 years from the time of the burglary till Nixon stepped down. More recently, remember the Clinton impeachment? We were obsessed with a blue dress when we should have been watching al Queda.
I just don’t think he can be removed from office peacefully and without great harm to us. We are already hurting.
At this point, it is best to concentrate on the November elections to take back Congress (thus tying his hands) and in putting processes into place to keep him off the ballot in 2012.
Keep digging. Somebody knows what 0 is hiding. I want history to get it right.
But, as far as his eligibility to run and win in 2008, that horse is out of the barn and in the next county. What we must do now is minimize the damage and change the locks on that barn.
That’s common sense talking, something this country needs right now.
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