Bono calls for control over Internet downloads

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100103/ennew_afp/entertainmentusfilmmusicinternetbono ^ | 1-2-2010 | Yahoo News

[Paul46360]

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Irish rock star Bono called Sunday for tougher controls over the spread of intellectual property over the Internet, arguing that file swiping and sharing hurt creators of cultural products

[Blue Turtle]

Great response...thanks!

[gitmo]

But, did you build the "car" and have to pay others for producing and marketing the "Car"?

Presumeably I either built the car or paid for it. Either way I worked for it.

The "car" in your scenario was not stolen, it was copied, or reproduced.

So it's not stealing if you copy it. Got it.

There is still value in the reproduction; same cost and value as was put into the original.

Actually, same value but zero cost on my part in this analogy.

Same with songs and software. They cost money to produce and to market. Why should they be allowed to be stolen?

You just corrected me, saying it wasn't stealing it was copying. See line 3 above.

[Lower55]

“A good analogy would be you get in your car to drive home. On the way home you get a cellphone call informing you five separate people had stolen your car earlier in the day. You continue driving home in your car and find out 3 more people had stolen your car in the interim.

While you were sleeping later that night, with your car safely in your garage, 18 different people stole your car. In the morning you get in your car and drive to work again.”

Silly analogy.....A better one would be people taking pictures of your car.

[gitmo]

Silly analogy.....A better one would be people taking pictures of your car.

No, because a picture of a car has little value. A copy of a car can be driven like the original, just like a copy of a song has the same utility as the original.

[moehoward]

If the car copy came with the jewel case and liner notes, maybe.

The best analogy available IMHO.
What happens at the Government funded public library is no different than what happens with most file sharing.

As a former record industry employee, I can tell you without a doubt, “they” want you to pay per listen. If there was a way to do it, it would already be law.

[Lower55]

“A copy of a car can be driven like the original, just like a copy of a song has the same utility as the original. “

Who’s stopping them from making a copy of a car? It will have no warranty. People stamp out ‘57 chevy fenders and doors all day long. Chevy doesn’t produce them anymore. Just like record companies don’t produce older albums.

You can’t say it’s like “taking your car” because noone is “taking the music.” The music is still there.

[Chunga]

You can’t say it’s like “taking your car” because noone is “taking the music.” The music is still there.

Read up on copyright law, licensing and intellectual property. Learn it inside out...then get back to me.

These insipid, adolescent non-arguments have been refuted too many times at FR to waste energy on them again.

[Lower55]

“Read up on copyright law, licensing and intellectual property. Learn it inside out...then get back to me.”

If people don’t want their music heard, they should keep it to themselves. Once they play it over the air, or release it to the public, it can and will be copied for convenience. You can’t play a cd on an Ipod. It has to be copied.

Can you go to a library and copy a chapter out of a book? Yes, and the copiers are there to use.

If you are going to profit from copying, I agree that that is illegal. Otherwise for convenience, it is not.

If you were blind, and “BOOK A” was not released as an audio book, and a friend read the book to tape and gave you that copy to hear, you should be prosecuted....lol what a joke.

[Chunga]

I said to get back to me once you have an understanding of copyright law, intellectual property and licensing...not before.

This is "before."

[cva66snipe]

I don’t download Bono in any form. I don’t download fingers scraping a chalkboard or Yoko Ono either for the same reasons. Some sounds man should not have to endure and the above mentioned is tops of that last.

[Centurion2000]

That was Corey Hart ... Not Bonehead Bono(bo)

[Lower55]

“This is “before.”’

Naw, it’s after. Fair use is in the eye of the beholder.

They should never release it to the public.

[Chunga]

Fair use is in the eye of the beholder.

You know nothing about it. Saying something is so does not make it so. This is The First Law Of Grownupville.

Schedule some visits.

[SteveAustin]

It seems like “the people” are simply putting a needed speed-bump on Bono’s compensation to keep it from being unacceptably high.

He should be grateful this service is being provided to him. Otherwise I’d just consider him a charlatan, exploiting the youths and their need for music.

[Lower55]

“You know nothing about it. “

Sorry, but I know more about it than you do.

[Chunga]

Sorry, but I know more about it than you do.

That's funny.

[Lower55]

“That’s funny. “

But true.

Did you know that you can ‘copywrite’ a song by mailing it to yourself via registered/certified mail? Then years later you can change the contents of the letter and claim the contents were sent on the original date?

So much for your “copywrite laws”.

[Chunga]

Did you know that it won't hold up in court if the seal's been tampered with in any way?

Moron.

[Professional]

Well said. Anyone trying to argue that copying music, plays, books is somehow not illegal is being foolish.

The music industry, if they want to see numbers go back up, needs to be creative in how they make future for sale products. Either it is the physical aspect of the product, some collectors element, artwork, lottery ticket inside, what have you.. they better figure it out.

Now, what CAN’T be stolen is the satisfaction of attending a live performance. Sadly, with record sales as good as they were, most performers had live acts that were pretty pathetic.

I saw U2 in 1982 or 1983, then again in 2000. The early concert was truly a landmark event in my life. The 2000 concert was so lame that me and everyone else at the Tacoma Dome just sat there on our hands, waiting for a good 80s song to finally play. Stage show was LAME.

Rammstein, now check out what that is like, as a live participant... Holy Smokes, now THAT is a concert. Massive lights and pyrotechnic show, and at impressive venues in old colliseums, fans going nuts, loud..

So, everyone is going to win, when the performers have to TRULY perform, live.

[Lower55]

Oh yes it will, prick.