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To: Leisler; DakotaRed; Jim Robinson
Another major, gross failure of conservatives is their political lack of involvement. Most of, if not all, court fights and victories, few as there have been, on property rights and gun rights have been by libertarians, with libertarian money, and libertarian lawyers.

Zero, no, none, by ‘conservatives’.

What an absolute baseless bucket of excrement.

Not surprising, Leisler, since you give no reference, no data. (And, although I once worked with groups such as Libertarians for Life and the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons, I'm beginning to lose any surprise when so-called "Libertarians" will write trash backed with nothing but their own hot air and based on either a very short memory without regard to history or fact and/or a lack of research into the subject and what has transpired in real life before their own interest.)

Do a little research on the Conservative efforts of the FreeMarket in Texas (our version of the Family Resource Council), The Justice Foundation (used to be the Texas Justice Foundation), the Christian Medical Association, and any number of pro-life organizations which have been forced to protect the right not to be killed, the right not to have liberty infringed upon by re-defining who is worthy of being given public protection (who is human enough).

And then, step back a bit and look at the lawsuits, activism, and plain ol' fights that those of us here on FR have been engaging with the left for the last 14 years or so. Jim Robinson is not a "(L)ibertarian," although he is capable of forming a coalition, to function in order to support common ground and common goals shared by some Conservatives and some (L)ibertarians.

Our efforts are often mistaken for those of (L)ibertarians, when in fact they are (l)ibertarian conservative (small government with unconditional protection of the right to life, liberty and property) and illustrate or take advantage of the common beliefsof Conservatives and some Libertarians.

45 posted on 01/01/2010 5:27:01 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: hocndoc
"What an absolute baseless bucket of excrement"
Wow, very impressive. ( did I say something about conservatives not being able to handle ideas? Thanks for the first out of the box confirmation of my point.)

Anyways, and in FEDERAL COURTS,....

Kelo vs New London and the Washington gun ownership, both Libertarian.

Well, that was easy.

As much as I like FR, it's no CATO Institute, nor a Hoover. There's not a magazine that can touch REASON for pop, hipster, bi costal impact( Oh, yeah, I forgot, another field left to the left by conservatives.) Where's the conservative equal to The Freedman, Liberty, even the opinion page of the WSJ or IBD? Who's the conservative Any Rand?

Hey, I'm glad some group somewhere in some local court is shaking the cage, but let's get real. Conservatives and conservative institutions, unlike the libertarians, are not taking it to the left, on the lefts turf, as it were.

Frankly, Conservatives can't even prevail in the GOP. We know about the Big Gov, Big Tax, Big intervention Nanny State GOP, but....what does that tell you about conservative power, influence and ability to persuade...if it has been a doormat within the GOP for decades? Never mind outside the party and the nation at large.

51 posted on 01/01/2010 6:07:54 AM PST by Leisler (We don't need a third party we need a conservative second party.)
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