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1 posted on 12/30/2009 8:46:21 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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"our income stagnated"

Maybe it's just me, but does anyone else find his characterization of offerings as "income" wrong? To me, it shows that he is looking at his church as a business enterprise. Instead of income, why wouldn't he refer to money as offerings or gifts????

85 posted on 12/30/2009 10:09:54 PM PST by GAGOP
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Warren is dsgusting.

Warren is a fraud.

Go ask your abortion buddy, Obama for a “bailout”.


87 posted on 12/30/2009 10:14:07 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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Warren is dsgusting.

Warren is a fraud.

Go ask your abortion buddy, Obama for a “bailout”.


88 posted on 12/30/2009 10:14:15 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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why ask Egypt for help ask God who owns all
89 posted on 12/30/2009 10:16:00 PM PST by FreeperFlirt
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IN times of trouble, people turn to more serious faith. Feel-good churches are for when the good times are rolling and people don’t want guilt or calls to obedience and labor.


91 posted on 12/30/2009 10:38:23 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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Pastor Rick Warren urgently asks faithful for $900,000 (Ask Your Boy Obama For It)

Or The Lord will take him home?

(sorry, couldn’t pass up the reference with the passing of the
Late Great Oral Roberts...)


94 posted on 12/30/2009 10:49:47 PM PST by VOA
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I hope he goes broke.FH


95 posted on 12/30/2009 11:10:57 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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The church does not make its financial information public, so it’s impossible to tell just how big of a hole in the boat this $900,000 represents. A spokeswoman for Warren said the church does not release detail on its finances, so it’s hard to put the shortfall in context. (Suffice to say it may not represent a terribly significant portion of Saddleback’s annual budget, and that his personal appeal may well close the hole, and then some.)


Why would this information not be made available if he is asking for that much money?! Wow.


96 posted on 12/30/2009 11:15:22 PM PST by Freedom56v2 ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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He claims he’s given away 90% of the earnings from his mega-selling books. (Since nobody really deserves to be rich.) Sure would come in handy now, wouldn’t it?


98 posted on 12/31/2009 2:23:43 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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Didn't Oral Roberts have a vision of a 900-foot Jesus some time ago?

Odd that Warren is asking for money to cover a US $900,000 shortfall.

Is there some significance for "900"? Simply a big number?

100 posted on 12/31/2009 3:21:40 AM PST by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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The church does not make its financial information public, so anyone who gives him money is foolish.


101 posted on 12/31/2009 5:38:00 AM PST by kalee (On the sixth day of Christmas my true love gave to me...)
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Caution ... Rick Warren could pull an “Oral Roberts” and say that if his flock doesn’t cough up $1 million cool ones (or in this case, $900,000 cool ones), God is gonna call him home.

Let Warren pull that money out of his bank account or cut back on HIS purchases, etc.


103 posted on 12/31/2009 5:48:20 AM PST by trollcrusher (Like a moon without a tide ...)
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"...urgently asks faithful gullible fools for $900,000..."
104 posted on 12/31/2009 5:49:15 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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Rick Warren calls anti-gay bill in Uganda 'un-Christian'

The Rev. Rick Warren, possibly the most influential current pastor in the USA, has joined progressive pastors in speaking out against the so-called Uganda "gay death bill" and any rumors that he's ever supported it or anyone associated with it.

106 posted on 12/31/2009 6:06:49 AM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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The church does not make its financial information public, so it’s impossible to tell just how big of a hole in the boat this $900,000 represents. A spokeswoman for Warren said the church does not release detail on its finances, so it’s hard to put the shortfall in context.

Any Church that does not fully disclose its finances and how it spends the money it is given does not deserve your or my financial support.

I say that as a member of a large Church that does disclose how much it takes in, what its expenses are, what the salaries of those who work for the church are, the missions and charities supported, and its basic "keep the lights" on expenses.

Any Church that doesn't do the same has something to hide, period. What is Warren doing with the millions of dollars that flow into that Church? Until he discloses, his "congregation" ought to withhold money.

109 posted on 12/31/2009 6:16:53 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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Pastor Rick Warren will Address a Muslim Group This Weekend (6/03/09)

Excerpt:

At a recent event, Warren told a group of Muslims, "You don't have to see eye to eye to walk hand in hand." Listen, Rick Warren is a PASTOR. He is supposed to be a messenger of the GOSPEL. He is NOT a politician!!! The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not something you water down or compromise. It is not about being politically correct because the eternal souls of men are at stake. There is no "walking hand in hand" with Muslims! They are on the wide road to destruction while born-again Believers are on that narrow road to Glory! Muslims need to understand that they have bought a 1400-year-old lie from hell, and when they die, their souls will burn in the flames of hell for all eternity unless they turn from the lies of Islam and embrace faith in Jesus Christ and the Truth of the Bible!!!

Warren is a case study in the word "compromise." He embraces the damnable ecumenical movement that seeks to unite people of all beliefs, meaning Christians are expected to "compromise" and abandon the Absolute Truth of the Bible! His infamous book, The Purpose Driven Church, was endorsed by Leonard Sweet, a firm New Age Movement advocate. Warren hired Ken Blanchard to come to Saddleback to help train people how to be effective leaders.

110 posted on 12/31/2009 6:18:22 AM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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I knew this guy was a a faker and jackass when I saw numerous photos of him in a Hawaiian aloha shirt


122 posted on 12/31/2009 7:50:21 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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btw I love the strategic placement of the image at the beginning of the letter. lol


128 posted on 12/31/2009 8:52:14 AM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To quote Rick Warren

“If your church has been plateaued for six months, it might take six months to get it going again. If it’s been plateaued a year, it might take a year. If it’s been plateaued for 20 years, you’ve got to set in for the duration! I’m saying some people are going to have to die or leave.

Moses had to wander around the desert for 40 years while God killed off a million people before he let them go into the Promised Land. That may be brutally blunt, but it’s true. There may be people in your church who love God sincerely, but who will never, ever change.”

So how can we apply this principle to saddleback church as a whole? Maybe they just have to wither away, or maybe people like Rick should just leave and let a real pastor take over, (not likely even if he did leave) since they aren’t open to correction by the brethren.


129 posted on 12/31/2009 8:56:53 AM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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