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How $15 Co-Pays Destroyed The Health Care System
http://www.radioviceonline.com ^ | December 30,2009 | Steve McGough

Posted on 12/30/2009 2:42:25 PM PST by Biggirl

How Obamacare has done great damage to one seventh of our nation's economy. I’m struggling with the headline since I know health care has not been destroyed by low co-pays, but those gold-plated plans with $15 co-pays to go see a doctor and $25 for an emergency room visit has destroyed our perception of value when it comes to health care. My perception of value theory evolved in high school when I signed up for classes and had to buy the books at the school store. I can’t remember how much those books cost, but I paid part of the tab, and the books – some used – were mine. If I lost or destroyed the book, I was expected to buy a replacement. If you compared the condition of my books to the books public school kids had, the difference was clear. Public school students were provided books free of charge and many of those books were a mess. If a student lost a book, he or she would just grab another off the classroom bookshelf. There was no perception of value. You can use this comparison with public education, government subsidized housing, the treatment of rental cars, government subsidized retraining programs, and yes, the health care system.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: copays; healthcare; obamacare
The bitter wages of Obamacare.
1 posted on 12/30/2009 2:42:29 PM PST by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

The author doesn’t go back far enough. Medical care was affordable until Medicare was created in the late 60’s. It took a HUGE chunk of people out of the insurance pool. Because prices rose, government then decided there should be HMO’s. All of our problems started with governments “help”.


2 posted on 12/30/2009 3:02:03 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Biggirl

Something about this article really bothered me and I realized what it was when I went and read the entire post. I have $15 copays and I think that’s way too high.

Want to know why? Because I pay $900 a month for an HMO plan for myself and my husband (just the two of us, no kids). And we go to the doctor, at most, twice a year each. So when this author talks about what it really costs to go to the doctor, I can say that it costs me about $2,700 per visit. Paying that much already, I admit I have a hard time stomaching an additional $15 out of my pocket to boot!

However, I should add that I otherwise wholeheartedly agree with the article. I realize most people aren’t like me and don’t think about how much they’re actually paying for health care. Maybe it helps that my paystub shows me how much my employer is paying each month (and I’m smart enough to realize that it’s really my money they’re spending).

I’m sickened by the whole thing. I’d much rather just have catastrophic coverage for the big things that can go wrong and pay as I go for the routine stuff (I’m sure I’d come out ahead in the end), but unfortunately no employer I know of offers such an option.


3 posted on 12/30/2009 3:16:59 PM PST by The4thHorseman
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To: Biggirl; All
AND how many people do you know that constantly complain about co-pays (even the small ones)? I know far too many people who have done this. People literally do want something for nothing. Another example of this is mass transit.
4 posted on 12/30/2009 3:20:13 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: DJ MacWoW

AMEN!! It WAS affordable until
Medicare!


5 posted on 12/30/2009 3:20:37 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Biggirl
The bitter wages of Obamacare.

I've been paying $15 copays for at least 15 years, probably more. You can't blame Obama for that.

6 posted on 12/30/2009 3:20:49 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Biggirl
A very, very good article.

Thanks for posting, Biggirl.

7 posted on 12/30/2009 3:21:10 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Ann Archy

A lot of people don’t remember when paying for an office visit out of pocket was no big deal. People got the care they needed because they could afford it. Even prescriptions weren’t expensive. We couldn’t afford much when I was a kid but doctor visits were no problem.


8 posted on 12/30/2009 3:29:16 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: The4thHorseman

I think a lot of people must not understand how co-pays work. They act as if that is all that is paid. The loser is perhaps the doctor who may not get reimbursed for the full balance. But co-pay plans are expensive and one generally shells out far more in premiums than the cost of the visits. Medications should be reasonably priced, doctor visits should be affordable to pay the doctor directly, and insurance should be reserved for major medical or long term care IMHO.


9 posted on 12/30/2009 3:30:32 PM PST by visualops (Pray for the USA)
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To: GOP_Lady

People pay for those HMO’s. It’s taken out of their paychecks. It isn’t free and they know it.


10 posted on 12/30/2009 3:30:45 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: visualops

That’s the way it used to be.


11 posted on 12/30/2009 3:32:12 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Many people don’t understand how much more money would be withheld from the paychecks for health premiums if there were no premiums.


12 posted on 12/30/2009 3:38:52 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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What? If there were no premiums there'd be no premiums? What?

Read my post 2. Before Medicare, there were no problems.

13 posted on 12/30/2009 3:42:35 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I meant co-payments. Sorry.

I used to run rates when I worked for a health insurance company.

14 posted on 12/30/2009 3:59:02 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: DJ MacWoW

It USED to be $8.00 for the WHOLE visit!!!!


15 posted on 12/30/2009 5:40:47 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

And there wasn’t a mile of paperwork so there weren’t always a nurse and receptionist either. Doc Cosgrove walked his patients out and then would ask “Who’s next?”


16 posted on 12/30/2009 5:47:29 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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