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To: LeGrande
That was discredited. The wave function collapse is too fast.

Ah, so your proponent on one hand is readily discredited on the other LOL, pragmatic aren't you. Wave function collapse - your god of life collapsed? But then the laws of physics STILL cannot explain the phenomemon of consciousness. So if your mathamatical/physics hero fails . . . . . .

Where do you get ID from the wave function collapse?

has nothing do with wave function collapse - if you bothered to read my post.
"There is a certain sense in which I would say the universe has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance. Some people take the view that the universe is simply there and it runs along–it's a bit as though it just sort of computes, and we happen by accident to find ourselves in this thing. I don't think that's a very fruitful or helpful way of looking at the universe, I think that there is something much deeper about it, about its existence, which we have very little inkling of at the moment." (A Brief History of Time)

Perhaps your reading comprehension is to blame for your confusion.

Continued in The Emperor's New Mind, Penrose calculated the probability. Including what he considered to be all variables required for human beings to exist and live on a planet such as ours, he computed the probability of our environment occurring among all the possible results of the Big Bang. He came up with number that has 1 followed by 10^123 zeros. He stated:

"This now tells how precise the Creator's aim must have been, namely to an accuracy of one part in 10^10^123. This is an extraordinary figure. One could not possibly even write the number down in full in the ordinary denary notation: it would be 1 followed by 10^123 successive 0's. Even if we were to write a 0 on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the entire universe- and we could throw in all the other particles for good measure- we should fall far short of writing down the figure needed. " (The Emperor's New Mind)

Its OK to express your inner ID here LG - you are among friends.

275 posted on 01/13/2010 11:24:37 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
Ah, so your proponent on one hand is readily discredited on the other LOL,

His early attempt was. That is why I guided you to a later attempt.

Wave function collapse - your god of life collapsed? But then the laws of physics STILL cannot explain the phenomemon of consciousness. So if your mathamatical/physics hero fails . . . . . .

I am not attempting to explain consciousness or life. That is your job. I am just answering your question to provide sources that equate life, matter and energy.

"It's not there just somehow by chance."

QM is both probabilistic and deterministic. Obviously you don't understand it very well.

Continued in The Emperor's New Mind,

I didn't source the Emporors New Mind. You did.

It is now up to you to differentiate between Life and Matter/energy.

277 posted on 01/13/2010 11:37:06 AM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: Godzilla
You never played football at Alabama back under Bear Bryant did you?

He never liked to run up the score on an already whooped opponent...

Of course the opponent also was not usually some lunatic who won't admit being whooped and worse kept diggin their hole deeper and deeper...

278 posted on 01/13/2010 11:39:37 AM PST by ejonesie22
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