Posted on 12/30/2009 1:32:39 PM PST by Colofornian
Maybe I should use you as a prime example of a person who is only a hearer of the word only and not a doer.
All I have seen from you and your type is hate and anger. I guess if that is what “true” Christianity teaches and is all about, then you and yours are “true” examples of Christ-like love.
It’s also you type of “true” Christianity that drove my agnostic friend away from Christianity.
Many people think that Christ was talking about the Jews and Israel in Matthew 12:43-45, but I feel that he was really talking about those who claim to be “true” Christians and use hate to spread their beliefs.
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
In the mean time continue to live up to you nick name, erroner, for I am both a hearer and a doer. One thing I do is defend Christ from the deformation your fantasy religion has created, as he and the apostles asked us to do.
You mock me, you mock my beliefs, and you rejoice in being mean and nasty. Not only do you mock me, but you mock all those who believe differently from you. Like I said, you are a prime example of what Christ has asked us not to be.
You are intolerant when it comes to others beliefs if they disagree with yours and if anybody attempts to show you that you are wrong or that they are right, your hate and venom is very obvious, even to the most casual observer.
Please, ejonesie22, continue to behave like a raving maniac for Christ because you are doing more good for what I believe and you are causing more damage to your side.
I guess you have never read that article, by two Evangelical scholars, about the poor and almost inexcusable way many Evangelicals are responding to the Mormon’s beliefs. They state very plainly that Evangelicals are losing the battle and they don’t even know it.
So, to sum up what I think about what you are doing and how you are doing, please, please, please, please keep on keeping on.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Sorry, I’ll try not to do that in the future.
Sorry ej about making it personal.
Still no kitty.
Of course.
You mean the "scholars" whose work, especially that of Owen, have been found tainted and have been disavowed by actual Christian scholars, while being trumpeted by mormons?
"His (Owen) attacks upon the apologetic community dating back a number of years now are understandable and can no longer be seen as coming from one "inside" the same camp: he is clearly far outside, and happy to be there. Hopefully, no one will any longer be confused by his conservative "credentials." His views are now open and clear, and for that I'm thankful. Their unbiblical nature, thankfully, is just as clear."
Too bad that the article written in 1997, more than ten years ago, is all that mormons have to hang their anti-Evangelical hats on!
But they will keep hanging themselves anyways...
About the same age when Joe Smith started conning people with his "divining rod - hey I'll find your buried gold" tricks.
Shortly afterwards, the fake profit Joe really went off the deep end. So did anyone that followed his folly.
Harry Reid is a MINO (Mormon in name only).
Well, that’s an interesting “angle”, Saundra. Please tell us, does BYU usually invite “MINOs” to speak at all-student body, all-faculty rallies? (‘Cause guess what? That’s exactly what BYU did in October 2007 – ensuring Reid spoke to over 4,000 on campus. Here’s the FReeper story on that Reid Gets Warm Reception at BYU )
From the above linked article, written by the Lds church owned Deseret News: At the end of his speech, Reid earned a standing ovation from a small percentage of the crowd and applause from the rest.
Tell us, Saundra, do BYU students & faculty usually applaud ALL MINOs like that?
Not only that, but the Salt Lake Tribune ran an October 2009 article – here. Harry Reid: A Mormon in the Middle
Here were two “interesting” comments by fellow Mormons about Reid, including one from Sen. Orrin Hatch: Bennett's Utah Senate colleague, Orrin Hatch, says it's not fair for fellow Mormons to disparage Reid as anything but a devout Mormon..."I can personally tell you that Harry is a good member of the LDS faith and he was expressing a personal opinion that his side feels very deeply about," Hatch says.
Well, there ya go, Saundra. Are you being contentious against Sen. Hatch by calling him a liar – or mistaken – re: his eval of Reid?
I mean, come on Saundra, the Salt Lake Trib article also mentioned how ”Today, Reid, with his security escort in tow, likely will be making his home teaching rounds after his ward's three-hour service. Anyone who questions his Mormon credentials should see that, says Jim Vlock, his home-teaching companion.
There ya go, Saundra – another Mormon “testimonial” about Reid that claims he is a bonifide Mormon. (Of course, we all know how mistaken those Mormon testimonials are all the time about another Mormon leader – a Mr. Joseph Smith – so I guess Mr. Vlock can be wrong just like all the other Mormon testimonials, eh?)
Oh, and one more thing, Saundra, that same Salt Lake Trib article makes this claim: "I think some of the most unChristian-like letters, phone calls, contacts I've had were from members of the [LDS] church, saying some of the most mean things that are not in the realm of our church doctrine or certainly Christianity," Reid said last week during an interview in his office.
Wow! Saundra. (You haven’t been sending those MINO comments in the form of letters, phone calls or other contacts to Mr. Reid, now have you?) But it’s all ironic, Saundra: Here you start off the second wave of 50 comments claiming Harry Reid is a MINO…and here Harry Reid was claiming in an interview three months ago that based upon the ”letters, phone calls, contacts I’ve had…from members of the [LDS] church,” he apparently thinks many Mormons are CINOs! (Christians in Name Only)
So, who’s right Saundra? Sen. Hatch? Harry Reid? BYU’s speaker invite committee? You?
Harry Reid is a HINO (Human in name only). He is a despicable little gremlin. Sadness has fallen deeply upon him. The fact that he is a mo-is just icing on the cake. Freakin' weirdo, he is.
Reid BETTER be VOTED OUT in extreme numbers. He is a gas bag who needs to be launched into his next job as a restroom attendant.
It wouldn’t have anything to do with your inability to handle a little criticism would it?
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Ummmm....unlike the LDS who use caucus/devotional threads to avoid criticism, Colofornian posts open threads when discussing the LDS.
RF has much greater freedoms for discussion than most the other areas of FR.
Hmm, you think it is a fantasy that the BYU quarterback hates the U?
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No, not really, and Ejonesie did say that it was.
However, anything coming out of the BYU on the topics of archaeology, Ancient Scripture or Religion (esp the apologetic IS almost always related to fantasy.
I know MANY MANY professionals and academics in the fields of Archeology, History and Biblical Studies, NONE of them take BYU seriously.
“You went to BYU? I wouldn’t put that on my CV” - My graduate adviser in History.
You mean the “scholars” whose work, especially that of Owen, have been found tainted and have been disavowed by actual Christian scholars, while being trumpeted by mormons?
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That would be the one. I have been in Academic circles for almost 15 years now and no one I have asked has either never heard of the guy or they do not consider him a “scholar”.
His book with Stephen J. Robinson “How wide the divide” was not impressive to say the least and also lost him quite a bit of credibility.
BTW, he no longer considers himself “Evangelical” having converted to Anglicanism in 2006.
Hey, ther article is only 13 Years old!
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Depending upon the subject/area 13 years is either no time at all (Archeology) or far to removed to be useful (Apologetics). Gender studies and “sexual history” usually runs about 5 years. History tends to fall closer to a “20 year rule” and Biblical Studies closer to a “8-10 year rule”, in my experience.
If Reid is a “MINO”, then how come he still holds a temple recommend? That means being an “active”, tithe paying member.
http://www.sltrib.com/lds/ci_13629152
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